# Allow “special exception” to the Orchard codebase for the Monero Project **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [April 28, 2022, 4:06pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392 "2022-04-28T16:06:00Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![mndt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@mndt](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/mndt)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:45pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/196 "2022-04-29T18:45:58Z")
ECC asked because sethforprivacy wanted an exception and he put it on twitter. If he didnt want it, this entire thread would not have existed. ---
**Author:** ![mndt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/c57346/32.png) [@mndt](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/mndt)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:48pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/197 "2022-04-29T18:48:57Z")
If you had spent time same amount of time in this forum or on Arborist calls as you are doing now and spent a little less time trashing zcash for engagement you would have known this for a long time. Anyone who even bothers to check on the community once is a while has known this. ---
**Author:** ![ambimorph](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/ambimorph/32/26890_2.png) [@ambimorph](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/ambimorph)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:50pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/198 "2022-04-29T18:50:27Z")
Given the extreme resistance in the larger Monero community to even having tech exist that touches both Monero and Zcash, what is the probability this ever moves beyond hypothetical? I’m beginning to agree with suggestions we table the discussion until and unless it becomes a real possibility. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/shawn/32/187_2.png) [@Shawn](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Shawn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:51pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/199 "2022-04-29T18:51:53Z")
Ok, at this point we are beginning to move in circles rather than forward. 1. @sgp and @sethforprivacy have both made thier arguments as to why they feel Monero should have an exemption. 2. The Zcash community has had many stakeholders (community members, core devs, and even the head of ZF) given thier input. I’m not a fan of letting this thread continue to spiral downward unless the people who actually can make the change @zooko and @joshs start weighing in on the conversation, or propose a path to resolve it. I propose a cool down period until they decide to drop by. ---
**Author:** ![joris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/joris/32/4592_2.png) [@joris](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/joris)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:52pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/200 "2022-04-29T18:52:26Z")
No, the ECC is funded by the community through the devfund. The ECC are good stewarts here, sorry your narrative failed. ![image](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/original/3X/e/3/e33b9985caf774e3a31e7cf321069d4d1b74e493.png) ---
**Author:** ![artkor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/artkor/32/28573_2.png) [@artkor](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/artkor)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:52pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/201 "2022-04-29T18:52:34Z")
> > > ᴜɴᴛʀᴀᴄᴇᴀʙʟᴇ @DontTraceMeBruh @sethforprivacy that’s wonderful! I’m very glad that everything has been successfully resolved. The topic can be closed. ---
**Author:** ![sethforprivacy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/sethforprivacy/32/19982_2.png) [@sethforprivacy](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/sethforprivacy)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:53pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/202 "2022-04-29T18:53:08Z")
You all are welcome to table it if that is how the process works. I was hoping to get clarity here on if we could even get an exception before pursuing any further paths down this route, but seems the lack of clarity around even the exception process has made that difficult. An exception would allow us to further explore utilizing something like Halo 2/Orchard, but if it’s not granted it’s going to be much easier to just assume that path will not happen anyways and simply explore a rewrite from scratch in the future if we decide to go the trustless zk-SNARKs route. ---
**Author:** ![fireice\_uk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/fireice_uk/32/16429_2.png) [@fireice\_uk](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/fireice_uk)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:53pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/203 "2022-04-29T18:53:25Z")
I would urge you to lock it premanently. > [@fireice\_uk](#): > > I don’t think this is a genuine request. All we are doing here is creating ammunition for @sethforprivacy 's and @sgp 's next tweets about how MobileCoin is stealing their FOSS code (they aren’t even using the same curve as Monero, but the truth doesn’t matter to them) and how Zcash is bad for not allowing them to use their code. > > @tokidoki @Shawn For that reason I think the topic should be locked and a note with the above observation should be attached to the top. This will at least deny them the ammunition. ---
**Author:** ![sethforprivacy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/sethforprivacy/32/19982_2.png) [@sethforprivacy](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/sethforprivacy)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/204 "2022-04-29T18:54:04Z")
Fine by me, not much productive discussion happening at this point anyways 🙂 look forward to seeing any future decisions on the matter. ---
**Author:** ![gottabeJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/96bed5/32.png) [@gottabeJay](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/gottabeJay)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/205 "2022-04-29T18:54:14Z")
No. @sethforprivacy asked @str4d on twitter. Do you need me to take a screenshot and post it here? Or will you retract on your own? ---
**Author:** ![sethforprivacy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/sethforprivacy/32/19982_2.png) [@sethforprivacy](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/sethforprivacy)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:55pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/206 "2022-04-29T18:55:59Z")
I was told to ask @zooko and @joshs on Twitter for details on an exception, who then asked me to post here instead. That much is clear and apparent on both Twitter and the email @sgp posted. ---
**Author:** ![joris](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/joris/32/4592_2.png) [@joris](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/joris)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:56pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/207 "2022-04-29T18:56:59Z")
Hey @Shawn @tokidoki what are you waiting for guys ? ---
**Author:** ![sethforprivacy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/sethforprivacy/32/19982_2.png) [@sethforprivacy](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/sethforprivacy)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:58pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/208 "2022-04-29T18:58:06Z")
What? That is a thread by someone else that is a counter-argument to my own thoughts on potentially exploring zk-SNARKs in Monero. Do you not want the Monero community to discuss this at all? That has nothing to do with this exception request. ---
**Author:** ![gottabeJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/96bed5/32.png) [@gottabeJay](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/gottabeJay)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:58pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/209 "2022-04-29T18:58:39Z")
So the answer No. @sgp wont retract. And @sethforprivacy wont admit… so here it is. [https://twitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1519325378464075776?t=rVdlB\_ynVV5NuEJoy\_lgGw&s=19](https://twitter.com/sethforprivacy/status/1519325378464075776?t=rVdlB_ynVV5NuEJoy_lgGw&s=19) ---
**Author:** ![fireice\_uk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/fireice_uk/32/16429_2.png) [@fireice\_uk](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/fireice_uk)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:59pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/210 "2022-04-29T18:59:14Z")
His point was that you are wasting our time since you aren’t authorised by the community to make any requests, and when pressed, deny you are making any. ---
**Author:** ![sethforprivacy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/sethforprivacy/32/19982_2.png) [@sethforprivacy](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/sethforprivacy)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 6:59pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/211 "2022-04-29T18:59:50Z")
What is this supposed to prove? I was then directed to Zooko/Josh, who then directed me here. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/shawn/32/187_2.png) [@Shawn](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Shawn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 7:01pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/212 "2022-04-29T19:01:53Z")
> [@Shawn](#): > > I propose a cool down period until they decide to drop by. > [@sethforprivacy](#): > > Fine by me, not much productive discussion happening at this point anyways 🙂 Agree. @ all the reps from the Monero community are fine with a temporary close of this thread. Thanks everyone for the thoughtful feedback. I’m closing it until I hear something from the key people at ECC that can chart a way forward with this conversation. @zooko @joshs please contact me when you are ready to respond and I will reopen the thread. ---
**Author:** ![gottabeJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/96bed5/32.png) [@gottabeJay](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/gottabeJay)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/213 "2022-04-29T19:02:01Z")
Yep. Thats right. @sgp is wrong. You initiated the conversation. You asked for the exception. Just want to lay the fact down. For posterity. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/shawn/32/187_2.png) [@Shawn](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Shawn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/214 "2022-04-29T19:02:02Z")
Closed on April 29, 2022, 7:02pm UTC ---
**Author:** ![Shawn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/shawn/32/187_2.png) [@Shawn](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Shawn)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2022, 12:08am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/allow-special-exception-to-the-orchard-codebase-for-the-monero-project/41392/215 "2022-05-05T00:08:24Z")
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