Dev fund proposal: modified 20% combination; 40/60 ECC/choice

Linking the discussion from here Dev fund proposal: 20% to any combination of ECC, Zfnd, Parity, or "burn"

This is a modification of the proposal from @amiller which describes a 20% dev fee is allocated to the recipient(s) of the miners’ choice of EEC, Zfnd, Parity, or “burn” in any combination

This modified version describes the same 20% fee where
-40% of which is allocated to the ECC who in turn opt to pledge half to the ZFND
edit half would be considered a rule of thumb as (in a simple explanation) the amount pledged from the ECC cannot exceed a certain threshold in order for the ZFND to maintain it’s 501c3 status, hence as a requirement this amount is adjustable

It has also been suggested that the transfer of funds should be the result of a multisignature transaction
The timespan for this proposal (as of now) is 4 years to keep in current general timing of upgrades

The remaining 60% is allocated to the miners choice
This option provides guaranteed funding while still giving the miner control over where most of the dev fee goes
(This constitutes an 8% mandatory to->ECC with a 12% to->optional fee and 80% going to miners of the total 100% mined)


The choices to select from will be voted on in the same manner as these proposals to avoid voting manipulation
The timeframe suggested between these “choice” votes is 3 months
Edit- this time frame should be some increment of 6 months as changing these addresses may require a network upgrade and currently they have all held to this schedule, 3 was suggested to maintain a greater sense of community involvement in these discussions
[In my mind the FR field in the protocol is changed to multiple “choice” result fields containing addys selected by the community so any or none could be selected, specification is needed to decide a custom % lest they be equal]

-The ECC is probably the most qualified group of individuals to work on zcash in the world today and the odds of finding another and coercing them into doing what these people want to do are slim by comparison

-although Zcash is exceedingly advanced compared to most projects (which is a direct result of the dev fee) is still very early in development and leaving the possibility of development of the future de facto internet money completely to chance seems foolhardy

-the ZFND and everything it does is entirely dependent on sponsorship, it is not fair to either of them (ECC or ZFND) to string them (or their employees) along in the hopes of receiving a paycheck maybe
Without consistent funding both of these establishments will dilapidate and may have irrevocable consequences on the potential future (the one we’d all like!) of Zcash
:zcash: :zfoundation:


@chilebob pertaining to your comment on the other thread, I thought about the possibility since the ECC would be pledging half and although I kinda think it should probably stay strictly half, if the other optional amounts donated we’re highly offset then it could be up to a decision about that being adjusted accordingly as needed
But that would be between them and I don’t really know if that might be too overly complicated
OTOH it might be really good, idk
Unless a mandate came for a strict 50/50 split and the ECC honored that then the option described above is essentially baked into this proposal

So to summarize, a rule of thumb for a 50-50 split should hold with an as needed adjustment which could be applied, I think this gives greater flexibility which is always better

That’s just too much money for protocol development. I don’t think larger community or even Zcash Foundation wants that.

What ratios do think would be more appropriate? The 20% was extrapolated from the other proposal, I thought it was pretty okay but there’s no reason that we couldn’t discuss it being different

I think Zfnd & ECC play nicely together so maybe not an issue. If ECC had a funding gap & Zfnd decided to help fill it then they could. The same could apply for Parity, etc, etc.

Thinking more on reward addresses being multisig, makes governance interesting & diverse. Connects well with josh’ post.

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Assuming all parties come to an agreement about any movement of funds (which is probably a safe assumption) then putting it on chain as well makes sense

40% of which is allocated to the ECC who in turn opt to pledge half to the ZFND

I don’t understand the rationale here. Why propose this rather than 20% to ECC and 20% to ZFND?

-the ZFND and everything it does is entirely dependent on sponsorship, it is not fair to either of them (ECC or ZFND) to string them (or their employees or investors) along in the hopes of receiving a paycheck maybe

I agree r.e. salaries for future development for ZFND/ECC however it is irrefutable in my opinion that investors in ECC have been fairly compensated already via the expiring Founder’s reward and this is a non-factor.

This isn’t that clear but as I understand it’s subdividing 20% of future block rewards i.e. 40/60% of 20%, which given the halvening isn’t such a substantial increase.


The repurpose is because of the 501 3 C status and that it has to be an opt-in measure (pledge, it cannot be mandatory)
Yes MAINLY for the employees, I may have thrown investors in there for good measure and I will definitely consider changing it :+1:
And yes it is a subdivision of 20%, I’ll try to do a visual aid today


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I think I got block reward % share wrong. Ignore my comment.

There’s a philosophical reason to prefer this, as it means there’s a clear way to “defund” a non-profit that’s underperforming, which keeps it competitive. The technical 501c3 issues are trickier than that anyway though


Yeah that’s overly complicated, being able to avoid reverting the ZFNDs status certainly seems beneficial

Without putting too fine a point on it, Zcash is an incredible experiment but it only goes as far as what we the incumbant are willing to sacrifice for it

I was going to elaborate on this more but there’s really no point, that’s it