# Do you think a new value pool for Orchard 6.2 is a good idea? **URL:** \ **Category:** General\ **Created:** [June 5, 2026, 5:54am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/do-you-think-a-new-value-pool-for-orchard-6-2-is-a-good-idea/56020 "2026-06-05T05:54:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 13\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![fireice\_uk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/fireice_uk/32/16429_2.png) [@fireice\_uk](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/fireice_uk)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 5:54am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/do-you-think-a-new-value-pool-for-orchard-6-2-is-a-good-idea/56020/1 "2026-06-05T05:54:27Z")
Now that dust is settling, I think implementing Taylor’s recommendation: > Create a new shielded pool identical to Orchard (or Orchard+ZSAs in NU7) and update > wallets to automatically move funds so that the turnstile-enforced upper bound on the > amount of potentially-stolen funds decreases over time. [[1]](https://drive.google.com/file/d/1SVK41y-ip3Vw9eB69E9QRy-Qn3idTOwV/view) Should be done to restore confidence that the vulnerability has not been exploited before. ---
**Author:** ![nullcopy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/nullcopy/32/39979_2.png) [@nullcopy](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/nullcopy)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 6:27am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/do-you-think-a-new-value-pool-for-orchard-6-2-is-a-good-idea/56020/2 "2026-06-05T06:27:02Z")
Orchard could additionally be made withdraw-only, accelerating the process 🤷 ---
**Author:** ![Roadies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Roadies](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Roadies)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 7:09am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/do-you-think-a-new-value-pool-for-orchard-6-2-is-a-good-idea/56020/3 "2026-06-05T07:09:23Z")
Doesn’t matter. Damages have been done. > [@The Orchard Counterfeiting Vulnerability—And Next Steps](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/the-orchard-counterfeiting-vulnerability-and-next-steps/56015/8): > > I don’t think it matters. I believe there is no counterfeit ZEC. The problem is much more nuance: The THEORETICAL RISK of MORE exploitable bugs (thanks to AI) is non-zero and is now well understood by the market / zodlers. Remember when ZEC wanted to be 10% of private offshore wealth? No private offshore wealth will adopt ZK technology without 100% guarantee of no bugs. In TradFi, if there’s a bug and the whales lose money, they can always claim the middlemen (banks / insurance / whatever). In … D ---
**Author:** ![fireice\_uk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/fireice_uk/32/16429_2.png) [@fireice\_uk](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/fireice_uk)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 7:10am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/do-you-think-a-new-value-pool-for-orchard-6-2-is-a-good-idea/56020/4 "2026-06-05T07:10:39Z")
> [@Roadies](#): > > Doesn’t matter. Damages have been done. Well, RIP crypto then because even Bitcoin had an inflation bug, and smart contracts get hacked every month. ---
**Author:** ![Roadies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Roadies](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Roadies)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 7:10am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/do-you-think-a-new-value-pool-for-orchard-6-2-is-a-good-idea/56020/5 "2026-06-05T07:10:54Z")
Exactly. All thanks to AI. But I believe blockchain will still be useful, especially for tokenization of RWAs. ---
**Author:** ![Benoist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/eb8c5e/32.png) [@Benoist](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Benoist)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 9:20am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/do-you-think-a-new-value-pool-for-orchard-6-2-is-a-good-idea/56020/6 "2026-06-05T09:20:14Z")
> [@fireice\_uk](#): > > Should be done to restore confidence that the vulnerability has not been exploited before. It is also ‒ and perhaps **more** ‒ important to ensure that people can have confidence that such a bug cannot reoccur. So far, each shielded pool has implemented the latest-and-greatest, shiny new state-of-the-art proof system. But they have all used only one proof system. It is time to consider requiring multiple redundant proofs, using several different, independent proof systems. Such a belt-and-braces approach will ensure that a vulnerability with a single proof system does not mean that confidence is lost in the entire pool. Separately, perhaps also a mechanism could be introduced as part of the block creation process to generate a proof that the balance of the new shielded pool is correct. ---
**Author:** ![Zebraman](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/zebraman/32/43159_2.png) [@Zebraman](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Zebraman)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 11:40am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/do-you-think-a-new-value-pool-for-orchard-6-2-is-a-good-idea/56020/7 "2026-06-05T11:40:57Z")
> [@Roadies](#): > > All thanks to AI. …which from now on will no doubt be consulted before any changes are deployed, and applied to released code whenever there’s a new model. ---
**Author:** ![conradoplg](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/conradoplg/32/42878_2.png) [@conradoplg](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/conradoplg)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 1:53pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/do-you-think-a-new-value-pool-for-orchard-6-2-is-a-good-idea/56020/8 "2026-06-05T13:53:39Z")
I think it will be useless. You can’t force people to migrate (just look at Sprout) so you will never be able to prove the vulnerability was not exploited by using it. ---
**Author:** ![tloriato](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/tloriato/32/33218_2.png) [@tloriato](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/tloriato)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 2:07pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/do-you-think-a-new-value-pool-for-orchard-6-2-is-a-good-idea/56020/9 "2026-06-05T14:07:11Z")
Hm… Partially conflicted. Yes to your point, but a ~25k ZEC risk is different than a ~5 million ZEC. The counter-point is that maybe +1 ZEC is as disastrous (no recovery path) as 1 million. ---
**Author:** ![fireice\_uk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/fireice_uk/32/16429_2.png) [@fireice\_uk](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/fireice_uk)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 3:00pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/do-you-think-a-new-value-pool-for-orchard-6-2-is-a-good-idea/56020/10 "2026-06-05T15:00:38Z")
> I think it will be useless. You can’t force people to migrate (just look at Sprout) so you will never be able to prove the vulnerability was not exploited by using it. Yes, you can. It is purely down to developers’ choice that you can make new Sprout deposits. ---
**Author:** ![Shawn](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/shawn/32/187_2.png) [@Shawn](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Shawn)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 3:04pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/do-you-think-a-new-value-pool-for-orchard-6-2-is-a-good-idea/56020/11 "2026-06-05T15:04:46Z")
No need for a new pool, just make the current one auditable: > ---
**Author:** ![fireice\_uk](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/fireice_uk/32/16429_2.png) [@fireice\_uk](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/fireice_uk)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 3:06pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/do-you-think-a-new-value-pool-for-orchard-6-2-is-a-good-idea/56020/12 "2026-06-05T15:06:07Z")
Yes! If that possible, then it is the optimal solution. ---
**Author:** ![conradoplg](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/conradoplg/32/42878_2.png) [@conradoplg](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/conradoplg)\ **Post date:** [June 5, 2026, 3:23pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/do-you-think-a-new-value-pool-for-orchard-6-2-is-a-good-idea/56020/13 "2026-06-05T15:23:09Z")
Sprout deposits have been disabled for 6 years [ZIP 251: Deployment of the Canopy Network Upgrade](https://zips.z.cash/zip-0251)