Four Questions About the Orchard Vulnerability

(In the unlikely case) What if the exploiters are “good” and simply leave the coins in Orchard? No similar than behavior in Sprout ( from what I can see )

Anything could happen but to me, as in the most likely case where there was no exploitation of the vulnerability, in that case there is nothing meaningful to discuss and I am not addressing that case. If there are no losses then there is nothing that needs to be done to solve the problem of losses.

I’m specifically addressing the unlikely but possible case of sophisticated black hat exploitation where the motive is to effectively steal value from holders of legitimate ZEC.

The network isn’t congested. If you’re genuinely concerned, you can exit the Orchard pool right now. Unshield your coins, touch grass, enjoy the summer, and wait for Ironwood.

Almost nobody with actual skin in the game seems worried about this. If they were, they would have already done exactly what I’m suggesting you do.

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Couldn’t agree more :slight_smile:

This small blip is folks trying to scare.

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Exactly. In crypto, individuals should assume their choices and the consequences.

For those looking for moral hazards, bailouts and a confirmed inflation bug, I’m sure the fiat system will welcome you with open arms :rofl:

I don’t intend to migrate in the next few years. I would like to know if there will be a deadline for the discontinuation of the orchard.

I don’t intend to migrate in the next few years. I would like to know if there will be a deadline for the discontinuation of the orchard.

I haven’t yet heard any discussion of that.

In my humble opinion, which a lot of other Zcashers strongly disagree with, the social expectation should be that you have to open your wallet at least once every year or so and connect it to the blockchain if you want your coins to remain first-class. If you don’t then the rest of us should start refusing to accept your coins at face value, and instead accept them only at a discount, ie a fee that you pay to the network to pay for the costs to everyone else of maintaining your old, unmaintained coins.

Here was a recent discussion about this: NU7 Sentiment Polling: Questions for Community Review & Coinholder Voting via Zodl - #33 by zooko

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If my wallet is the lite version and not a full node, does connecting the wallet to the internet, even though it’s a lite version, make any difference, even if it’s not a full node? In my view, the benefit of connecting the wallet to the internet is linked to the full node.

Yes, a lite wallet would be able to do the steps that keep your coins in the first first-class category, such as migrating them to a current pool or a long-term storage pool. To be clear, this is all hypothetical. This is my preference and imagination, which a lot of other Zcashers don’t share, and in practice Zcashers have still not figured out how to shutdown the oldest pool (Sprout) which launched almost ten years ago. So even if something like this idea does eventually win out, you’ll probably have plenty of time and notifications. But I thought it was right to let you know about the possibility now, since you’re thinking about how you intend to maintain your coins (which are currently in the Orchard pool) in the long term. :slight_smile:

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Textbook definition of an avant garde idea.