# Truly pseudonymous contributors & ZCG **URL:** \ **Category:** ZCG Elections\ **Created:** [September 4, 2021, 12:25pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992 "2021-09-04T12:25:43Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![GGuy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/gguy/32/19036_2.png) [@GGuy](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/GGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2022, 5:16pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/62 "2022-01-09T17:16:20Z")
I’m really interesting in participating but I’m curious if anyone knows what actual legal protection DAOs afford us? Is privacy really a benefit if it’s required? Or is anonymity a fundamental requirement of DAOs I’m only just realising 😂. I imagine an individual transfering large sums of ZEC is bound by their local laws. So a 2 party multisig wallet/contract suddenly protects me from legal prosecution? Of course not… Maybe a 3 party… 4… 100? Are we just assuming all parties are using Zcash and tor to remain anonymous to lower the risk of prosecution? ---
**Author:** ![zlawyer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/zlawyer/32/21631_2.png) [@zlawyer](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/zlawyer)\ **Post date:** [January 9, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/63 "2022-01-09T20:01:25Z")
DAOs are in their infancy. There are many different ways of operating that range from total anon → total doxxed. I am approaching this from the perspective of first seeing what useful thing a Zcash DAO could do and then working backwards to figure out structure, governance, mechanics, etc. What do you think a Zcash DAO could do to bring value to Zcash? ---
**Author:** ![GGuy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/gguy/32/19036_2.png) [@GGuy](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/GGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 12:05am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/64 "2022-01-10T00:05:31Z")
> [@zlawyer](#): > > What do you think a Zcash DAO could do to bring value to Zcash? I think by far the most important thing a DAO can give the Zcash ecosystem is protection/backup/have leverage against some of the centralisation risks of having private companies control the chain. That would mean the DAO would need to build a community of users that can run independent of the current ecosystem. My initial thoughts were to advocate we start really simple and branch out from there. Example: - Create a discord - Create a multisig Zcash address - Create a GitHub page (website GitHub hosts) to attract and advertises who we are and defines what we do and goals - Create a GitHub repo that accepts requests/proposal (as pull request) - Use the pull request review feature to give feedback Do we eventually move to a eth smart contract? Maybe. But maybe that’s also something we do after we’ve invested some time proving there’s an interest in a new community to begin with. ---
**Author:** ![zlawyer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/zlawyer/32/21631_2.png) [@zlawyer](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/zlawyer)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/65 "2022-01-10T00:38:37Z")
Just made a discord server: [Discord](https://discord.gg/8fjdsAAQ) ---
**Author:** ![GGuy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/gguy/32/19036_2.png) [@GGuy](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/GGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 1:36am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/66 "2022-01-10T01:36:27Z")
> [@zooko](#): > > The Zcash community could, if we collectively choose to, through a similar [process as the Dev Fund](https://electriccoin.co/reaching-consensus/), allocate ZEC from the issuance to feed directly into that DAO’s Zcash address, therefore bypassing ECC, Zfnd, and all legal entities, and making those funds safe from being seized by legal attack! @zooko, do you worry that by allowing/making the Zcash chain fund a DAO that doesn’t comply with ~~KYC~~ legal identity disclosure laws/responsibility would make defending/advocating for Zcash to gov and other entities harder? ---
**Author:** ![dontbeevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@dontbeevil](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/dontbeevil)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 1:55am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/67 "2022-01-10T01:55:42Z")
What KYC laws? ---
**Author:** ![GGuy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/gguy/32/19036_2.png) [@GGuy](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/GGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 1:58am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/68 "2022-01-10T01:58:53Z")
Sorry not KYC. Disclosure of legal identity. Do the disclosure of legal identity responsibilities also pass through to individuals too? Note: I actually don’t know where the disclosure of legal identity responsibility come from so I’m wondering what the difference between what responsibility ECC and ZF have and why it’d be different to a DAO. I had assumed it was one of those money laundering prevention type things which is why I asked. ---
**Author:** ![dontbeevil](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@dontbeevil](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/dontbeevil)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 3:15am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/69 "2022-01-10T03:15:09Z")
Whoever receives ZEC as income needs to report it as income in their country / state / region. That’s all I could think! ---
**Author:** ![zooko](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/zooko/32/32232_2.png) [@zooko](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/zooko)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 4:27pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/70 "2022-01-10T16:27:33Z")
> [@GGuy](#): > > @zooko, do you worry that by allowing/making the Zcash chain fund a DAO that doesn’t comply with ~~KYC~~ legal identity disclosure laws/responsibility would make defending/advocating for Zcash to gov and other entities harder? Good question. Based on my interactions with policy-makers and regulators around Zcash over the years, I don’t think there’s substantial risk of that causing any problem. [edited to add:] And also based on the many and various DAOs that are active, many of which have users/participants in USA. ---
**Author:** ![GGuy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/gguy/32/19036_2.png) [@GGuy](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/GGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/71 "2022-01-10T23:18:12Z")
So are we all keen to try Gitcoin? I think for me the biggest barrier to entry is getting new users to understand the platform, including myself. How do we use the platform for Zcash without too much noise? Do I have to search “Zcash” every time I go on there? Is there a way to create a dashboard that’s Zcash specific? If that is the route we go I suggest when we get further along the DAO officially initiate their life by asking for seed funding on the platform. ---
**Author:** ![gottabeJay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/96bed5/32.png) [@gottabeJay](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/gottabeJay)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 11:23pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/72 "2022-01-10T23:23:30Z")
As someone who was not able to run a sticker store of Zcash stickers while staying pseudonymous due to the many legal fences built around the protocol I am very keen to see where this conversation will go. ---
**Author:** ![zlawyer](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/zlawyer/32/21631_2.png) [@zlawyer](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/zlawyer)\ **Post date:** [January 10, 2022, 11:49pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/73 "2022-01-10T23:49:55Z")
I think we should stay open and flexible to all kinds of funding mechanics, but for now, I think we should explore whether there are projects to fund. ---
**Author:** ![GGuy](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/gguy/32/19036_2.png) [@GGuy](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/GGuy)\ **Post date:** [January 11, 2022, 5:12am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/74 "2022-01-11T05:12:54Z")
Okay. So we need to advertise right? Asking the question to the largest audience possible. Twitter, forum, discord… Next steps? Not an official statement but do we want to say something like the following and share it around? * * * # Pseudonymous Grants The current ZOMG grant process requires identity disclosure. We have been made aware that there may be some grant applicants not willing to disclose their identity. To provide avenues for people to receive small grants a group of Zcash user are working towards providing new avenues to receive grants. These will be funded by the Zcash community and voted on on by the its members. If you have any grant proposals you would like funded please get in touch. ---
**Author:** ![xycro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/x/839c29/32.png) [@xycro](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/xycro)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2022, 7:02am UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/75 "2022-07-03T07:02:07Z")
In support of such efforts, I provide evidence that this has been an real issue all along: > [@Pseudonymous Grant Proposals](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/pseudonymous-grant-proposals/21501): > > Eleventh-hour question about the Zcash Foundation’s current [call for grant proposals](https://github.com/ZcashFoundation/GrantProposals-2017Q4): Would submissions under a dedicated pseudonym be reasonably considered? I think here to pull a Satoshi Nakamoto: Click the “New Identity” button, and create a project under a dedicated pseudonym. I would plan to stick around for longer than Nakamoto did. But I wish to devote one persona to one project, without any connection to my other past or present work (let alone my “real-life” identity). There is so… I understand that legally constituted entities are subject to various rules. If I don’t get what I want here, I am not the type to be a jerk about it! Rather, I will politely disappear. Most likely, even as I continue quietly to use Zcash for my own privacy, I will drift away from the community towards places where I can do gainful work on cypherpunk terms. How many others are likewise? How many potential contributions _and contributors_ have the Zcash community lost this way? I recognize that this is a difficult problem. I applaud efforts to solve it. If I have any further opinions to offer on this subject, I will _probably_ not offer them under this pseudonym—save for a note of practical importance: [Discord is bad for free software projects](https://drewdevault.com/2021/12/28/Dont-use-Discord-for-FOSS.html), it is _extremely_ hostile to Tor users, and it autobans anyone (with any IP address) who takes measures to prevent privacy-invasive fingerprinting (“telemetry”). I recommend that it be avoided for any discussions intended to attract strongly pseudonymous persons. I myself cannot engage in Discord discussions, since they instantly ban all of my accounts before I can even try to use them. ---
**Author:** ![aristarchus](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/aristarchus/32/13198_2.png) [@aristarchus](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/aristarchus)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2022, 2:21pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/76 "2022-07-04T14:21:41Z")
Thanks for posting this. I wish it were easier to work on Zcash and be paid while using a pseudonym. ---
**Author:** ![zancas](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/zancas/32/42011_2.png) [@zancas](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/zancas)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 2:59pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/77 "2022-07-15T14:59:53Z")
My experiences with gitcoin have been bewildering. Lots of blinking lights!! I am excited about: > **[Free2z](https://free2z.cash/)** > > Free2z is a tool for anonymous content and private donations zingolabs has a page: > **[Free2z](https://free2z.cash/zingolabs)** > > Free2z is a tool for anonymous content and private donations ---
**Author:** ![pkr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/pkr/32/29938_2.png) [@pkr](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/pkr)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 3:06pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/78 "2022-07-15T15:06:32Z")
Who runs free2z.cash? Is it @earthrise’s project? ---
**Author:** ![aquietinvestor](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/aquietinvestor/32/34528_2.png) [@aquietinvestor](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/aquietinvestor)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/79 "2022-07-15T16:57:07Z")
> [@pkr](#): > > Who runs free2z.cash? Skyler (@skyl). Here’s the link to his grant proposal: > [@Free2ℤ: What's your 𝑧?](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/free2-whats-your/41289): > > Hello Zcash Forum friends. I have submitted a grant proposal to take [free2z.cash](https://free2z.cash) from prototype to reality. This is the proposal. Elevator Pitch: Free2Z will drive Zcash mass-adoption by making private peer-to-peer giving easy, fast and fun with beautiful content and simple features Total Request (USD): $123,000 We have received no other funding or grants to date and are not currently seeking any funding from other sources. Applicant background Skylar Saveland is a software engineer with mo… ---
**Author:** ![pkr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/pkr/32/29938_2.png) [@pkr](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/pkr)\ **Post date:** [July 15, 2022, 5:05pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/80 "2022-07-15T17:05:17Z")
Thank you @aquietinvestor ---
**Author:** ![pkr](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/zcash/user_avatar/forum.zcashcommunity.com/pkr/32/29938_2.png) [@pkr](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/pkr)\ **Post date:** [July 16, 2022, 3:43pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992/81 "2022-07-16T15:43:20Z")
> [@zancas](#): > > My experiences with gitcoin have been bewildering. Lots of blinking lights!! I agree that gitcoin “tries to do too much”, HOWEVER: I think we could take the idea of “bounties” from gitcoin. I know that there’s kind of a list of “wanted” projects for Zcash (or at least there used to be a page about it somewhere), but it’d be cool if you had on [grants.zfnd.org](http://grants.zfnd.org) crowdsourced ideas, and a “Claim Grant” or something that can be advertised on job boards to devs to attract more developer talent. > **[buidlbox](https://app.buidlbox.io/)** > > Ongoing and upcoming hackathons. Every buidlers gateway into the digital frontier. Also, the foundation or whoever (maybe the community grants team but they deserve more money if they implement this) should try to start capturing emails more like gitcoin is doing. [Previous page](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992.md?page=3) [Next page](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/truly-pseudonymous-contributors-zcg/39992.md?page=5)