Exactly the same here.
Who said that what I’m suggesting here should be done by a developer? You don’t even know what free speech is and interpret everything as you need it. Can you please stop trolling as a moderator?!
I was literally responding to your post that said:
with links and a video about the money transfer service that ECC made awhile back with Zcash.
If you don’t find it useful to the service you want to build you can simply ignore it, no reason to be offended.
Im allowed to participate in the discussions here same as any other forum member. I only act in my role as moderator when needed.
For someone who likes to talk about free speech so much I find it ironic that you are so often telling others like the core team and myself what we should and shouldn’t be speaking about.
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Now you’re playing the victim here. First, they try to undermine my contributions and even admit it outrageously and now they only meant well and play the victim and try to turn the whole situation around. That really is the pinnacle and completely manipulative. The only thing I will ignore in the future is them. 
Maybe we could even include the ZSAs and create ZSAs for USD, GBF, TRY as countervalue and fill them with liquidity to then send e.g. money transfer in own currency of the customer but as ZSA.TRY instead of ZEC. This would avoid price fluctuations of zec and would at least give the ZSAs a great use case.
Zcash as a protocol for money transfer services like Western Union would take off in no time and I don’t mean the price of Zcash, but the demand and use as a money transfer service and yes very likely the price would actually go up but that’s not the main point.
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Yes there are real use cases for Zcash, as money, as a day to day wallet. In the Spanish Zcash community many of us accept ZEC as a form of payment for our products/services, we pay for cabs, shopping, cakes and cookies, and other things with ZEC. My tattoo artist even charges for his work with ZEC. And we have a community member who is a tango teacher and gets paid for his classes with ZEC.
Yes, it’s true that it’s not “really massive”, but it’s a good start to evaluate those real cases.
We have to continue, we have to encourage, we have to show by example. This does not stop.
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In light of the current situation with Western Union, I propose considering the adoption of Bitcoin as the primary transfer option. For senders who prioritize privacy, it would be necessary for them to incur a fee associated with utilizing the ZSAs (Zero-Knowledge Set Accumulators) option.
Tango teacher, tattoo artist accept payments in Zcash…I don’t get it, guys, are you all kidding? Is this some kind of humorous forum format? What Western Union are you talking about? Have you ever looked into the Zcash blockchain explorer? There are only 1-3 transactions per block, and it barely reaches a couple dozen per day… It’s unbearable to look at without tears. Compare it, for example, to Monero’s blockchain.
Given that all transactions to and from exchanges are transparent, this situation undermines the benefits of the excellent zcash technology. This is a major problem. I think ECC should create scripts that generate both public and private transactions around the clock. They should focus more on making Zcash primarily used for online payments. The potential of the coin is super, but for now, discussions about offline usage seem extremely premature.
dismad looks at Gemini who supports shielded withdraw. Your statement is therefore false. Furthermore, having on/off ramps matters for most people, a situation Monero users might be unaware about now, but will when the price tanks. I love to ask myself with very limited ramps who keeps the price up 
Stay safe yall!
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Apparently you can use Zcash via their Btcpay at https://shopinbit.com
Not sure how it works as I didn’t try it myself but the shop is legit (even if you have sometimes to contact their support on Telegram to speed up the shipping).
Edit: it’s based in the EU so for orders to the rest of the world, shipping isn’t free and import taxes are due.
Firstly, Gemini is a KYC exchange, so it doesn’t really matter that it supports shielded transactions.
Secondly, you’ve focused on the fact that I wrote “all” when it’s obvious to anyone that I meant “the overwhelming majority.” You could also have pointed out that not all zcash blocks have 1-3 transactions; some have 4-5… Cool, right?
The main point of my post is that no one uses Zcash as a payment method, which is evident from the blockchain. The key feature of Zcash is its advanced privacy technologies. It’s a coin for private payments.
But since there are so few payments, they are all (overwhelming majority, if u wish) easily traceable, despite some transactions being shielded. People see this and don’t use Zcash. To improve the situation, smb have to generate txs.
While you dream about how the price of Monero will drop when it gets delisted from CEX, monero will firmly establish itself as a payment method for private transactions, used by thousands of people, while Zcash will irreversibly lose the competition in this area and is unlikely to achieve any success as an investment coin
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@postfix1 As far as I can tell @dismad is out of touch with the reality, as is a large part of this “ZF/ECC community”, which does not represent ZEC holders at all.
Which would be fine and could be completely ignored, only added to that, those people are currently attempting to siphon some of the inflation money for their own benefit while not even justifying that they are legitimate in doing so.
See for yourself: Community Polling on Funding Model ZIPs
I agree with you, Monero may win if we keep the current course.
I dont wish this, I actually want privacy tech to win, but it is not me who is dreaming when it comes to what is traceable and what isnt.
This idea is flawed. It isn’t always about NGU, whether with price or transaction count. You can hold what ever you want, Im expression my opinion that those who hold monero should be careful.
Another mistake, we will need multiple tools in the future. I just like to focus on the ones that work the best and don’t put users in danger.
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I reject this idea in full, I hold ZEC just like you. Whether that is pure enough for your standard doesn’t matter, thankfully.
Good, then vote with your tokens; no need for sham polls.
I’ve been trying to help test and run coin voting, SOMETHING YOU WANT, and yet you continue on some radical rant that my ZEC doesn’t matter?
Wowza.
What good is this doing if the outcome of the vote is just a ridiculous “sentiment” that can so easily be manipulated. We’ve been there years ago and we want to learn nothing and do it again? No thank you.
1.The number of transactions on the network inevitably increases interest in cryptocurrency. This is understandable, I think, even to someone with limited knowledge.
2.The number of transactions on the network enhances the anonymity of payments.
The situation is such that if there are very few payments, there is essentially no anonymity at all (if you don’t understand this, just Google it).
So, in the case of Zcash, there are very few transactions, which means it is currently a pseudo-anonymous cryptocurrency despite all the advanced technology.
In essence, Zcash is like a pot made from super-high-tech materials but with a huge hole in the bottom. You can’t cook with such a pot.
Of course, you can sell these pots by advertising the material they’re made of, but over time, fewer people will fall for it.
I wanted to draw attention to this and to the fact that problems can be solved with minimal effort and resources by generating transactions.
That s all.
You’re writing about the price of Monero, worrying about its holders, and talking about preserving on/off ramps for “most people” (who, by the way, exist only in dreams. in reality, there are no transactions, no people transfearing Zcash to exchanges, and no one withdrawing from them for now)…so you write about whatever you want and somehow quote my messages with a note saying “another mistake.” What exactly is the mistake? What isn’t clear to you? How are my messages related to yours?
I accept I might have limited knowledge.
As a counter example I point to our sandblast attack and pose two questions.
- How exactly did that increase privacy?
- Do you think this was a deliberate attempt to cripple Zcash infra?
- Why would someone want to do this, if Zcash doesnt work?
I’ll keep it short and sweet, if you use Monero and it works for your usecase, I think that is wonderful. Price and number of txs are a popular way monero users claim “victory” but I’m saying perhaps we all want the same things, and that framing is silly. I am also worried about massive manipulation, but all of this is my opinion, and your asking it in a Zcash forum.
This is factually incorrect. Since you are from the Monero camp where they constantly repeat this misinformation it’s an understandable oversight.
With Zcash the anonymity set does not depend on the number of other users or mixins in a given transaction. With Zcash privacy pools your anonymity set for a given transaction is constantly growing based on the number of transactions that have ever taken place in the pool. Now there’s always ways users can short circuit their anonymity set if they aren’t careful when interacting with T addresses, but in principle the Anon set does not depend on the quantity of daily/weekly/monthly transactions taking place on the network.
Contrast that with Monero where the anonymity depends on the number of mixins/ decoys used with your given transaction. Plus with recent attacks that number can be greatly reduced (around 4.2 last I heard?)
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There are 3 people in the room. Each has 5 apples, and one secretly passed an apple to another. Now, there are 5, 4, and 6 apples, and it doesn’t really matter what the anonymity pool is—if you try hard enough, you can figure out who gave what to whom.
If you look at the Zcash blockchain, it’s clear that the situation with Zcash is not much better than in my example. There is some trading volume, but there are no transactions. That means Zcash is not being used as a means of payment. Although it’s assumed that the main purpose of Zcash is private transactions, it’s impossible to conduct private transactions with any technology if there are very few of them and the inputs and outputs from exchanges are visible.
Also, I’m not from the Monero camp. Zcash is great in terms of technology and is still not a “shitcoin” like many other “private” altcoins, and I own a fair amount of Zcash. As a user, I’m just saying that Zcash is only theoretically private today, whereas Monero is private in real life. And the longer this situation continues, the harder it will be for Zcash to compete and establish a real niche for payments. But perhaps Zcash has other plans. And from the communication here, I am increasingly convinced of this, but I don’t understand what those plans are.