# Zenith Full Node Wallet
**URL:** https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523
**Category:** Applications
**Created:** [January 9, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523 "2024-01-09T21:37:35Z")
**Posts on this page:** 20
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### Author:  [@pitmutt](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/pitmutt)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 9:37pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/1 "2024-01-09T21:37:35Z")
Hello Zcash nation,
We are applying for a ZCG grant to create a modern full node wallet with support for Unified Addresses, Unified Viewing Keys, payment URIs and a built-in address book to run alongside a `zebra` full node.
You can review our [full proposal](https://files.vergara.tech/api/public/dl/NlXKFkHW/proposal.pdf) or review it on the [Zcash Grants](https://zcashgrants.org/gallery/25215916-53ea-4041-a3b2-6d00c487917d/45146381/) website.
We look forward to hear the community’s feedback and to work on this new product for the ecosystem.
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### Author:  [@Jgx7](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Jgx7)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/2 "2024-01-09T22:08:37Z")
Question - Who sets the development plan at ZCG and how is it coordinated with the Foundation and ECC? So for example, who determines we need a Full Node Wallet (im not saying we dont, just want to understand how it works)?
a) does leadership determine, we Zcash need a XYZ project, please submit a proposal (or in this case a Full Node Wallet), or
b) do project teams reverse inquire about what they want to build and ZCG says yes or no
It’s hard to tell from the outside looking in what the process is.
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### Author:  [@Shawn](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Shawn)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 10:21pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/3 "2024-01-09T22:21:26Z")
> [@Jgx7](#):
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> do project teams reverse inquire about what they want to build and ZCG says yes or no
Basically this. ZF has their development schedule, ECC has theirs, and ZCG has open applications and RFPs.
> **[Zcash Community Grants](https://zcashcommunitygrants.org/)**
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> The Zcash Community Grants program funds independent teams entering the Zcash ecosystem, to perform major ongoing development (or other work) for the public good of the Zcash ecosystem.
Ideally there is open communication between ZCG and the others to ensure double work is not being done.
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### Author:  [@Shawn](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Shawn)
#### Post date: [January 9, 2024, 10:27pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/4 "2024-01-09T22:27:16Z")
> [@pitmutt](#):
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> full node wallet with support for Unified Addresses, Unified Viewing Keys, payment URIs and a built-in address book to run alongside a `zebra` full node.
Have you spoken with the Zebra core team?
What’s their timeline for wallet functionality and how does your proposal work with that?
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### Author:  [@Cris83](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Cris83)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2024, 12:44pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/5 "2024-01-10T12:44:44Z")
For Linux/Windows?
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### Author:  [@pitmutt](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/pitmutt)
#### Post date: [January 10, 2024, 1:23pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/6 "2024-01-10T13:23:31Z")
We will work on Linux first. From my understanding, [Zebra does not support Windows yet](https://github.com/ZcashFoundation/zebra/issues/3801).
Our stack can definitely be compiled into Windows binaries, but the wallet will always be dependent on Zebra’s capabilities.
Update: The ZF team pointed out at the Arborist call that you can have `zebra` on a Linux computer and the wallet could be on a Windows computer, talking to `zebra` over your LAN, with the requisite network security caveats. We will add support for this configuration on our roadmap.
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### Author:  [@pitmutt](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/pitmutt)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2024, 5:47pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/7 "2024-01-11T17:47:05Z")
We discussed this at today’s Arborist call. The Zebra team is not currently working on a built-in wallet for Zebra.
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### Author:  [@Autotunafish](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Autotunafish)
#### Post date: [January 11, 2024, 6:35pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/8 "2024-01-11T18:35:32Z")
I think there is a confusion of terms here. Classically, full node wallet referred specifically to an internal wallet residing inside of the full node of zcashd. Full node (external) wallet here means it is circumventing the use of a lightwalletd server and connecting directly to zebra. Zebra team is not building something resembling the zcashd full node internal wallet but the calls required for the Zenith full node external wallet are being, if not all already, built out so I don’t think there’s much more they could do anyways. The LCWG call would be a good place to talk about it and share ideas.
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### Author:  [@Dodger](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/Dodger)
#### Post date: [January 12, 2024, 3:12pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/9 "2024-01-12T15:12:06Z")
> [@Shawn](#):
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> Have you spoken with the Zebra core team?
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> What’s their timeline for wallet functionality and how does your proposal work with that?
> [@pitmutt](#):
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> We discussed this at today’s Arborist call. The Zebra team is not currently working on a built-in wallet for Zebra.
Nor do we plan to build a built-in wallet for Zebra.
I think it’s fair to say that there’s general consensus amongst the ECC and ZF engineers that the legacy “integrated-blockchain-node-plus-wallet” model has serious drawbacks. That’s one of the reasons we prioritised `lightwalletd` compatibility, and are currently working on blockchain scanning functionality, to allow third parties to build clients (including wallets) that can use a _trusted_ Zebra node (or multiple Zebra nodes) as their sole interface to the Zcash network.
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### Author:  [@pili](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/pili)
#### Post date: [January 16, 2024, 2:46pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/10 "2024-01-16T14:46:55Z")
Hi there,
@pitmutt I’d be happy to arrange a call with the zebra team to discuss how this grant could complement the work we are doing on zebra.
You can message me privately here so we can coordinate further.
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### Author:  [@hanh](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/hanh)
#### Post date: [January 16, 2024, 3:33pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/11 "2024-01-16T15:33:23Z")
I think it’d be better to improve the ligthwallet API and have zebra directly support it than build a new wallet based on the full node API.
1. It would benefit all lightwallets out there
2. It would be possible to write a good _transparent_ wallet too. The current API isn’t good for that.
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### Author:  [@nuttycom](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/nuttycom)
#### Post date: [January 16, 2024, 6:08pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/12 "2024-01-16T18:08:34Z")
This is also my position; if the light wallet API is improved to support the full range of required functionality, then the only distinguishing feature of a “full node” wallet is that the wallet connects to a private light wallet server, either a local one (or one embedded directly into a `zebra` node, if such a thing were to be implemented to replace `lightwalletd`) or on a separate machine over a private and secure channel.
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### Author:  [@ZcashFoundation](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/ZcashFoundation)
#### Post date: [February 6, 2024, 8:14pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/13 "2024-02-06T20:14:45Z")
@pitmutt at the most recent meeting, the [@ZcashGrants](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/groups/zcashgrants) Committee voted to approve this proposal and has requested that you provide monthly updates via the forum in this thread.
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### Author:  [@pitmutt](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/pitmutt)
#### Post date: [February 7, 2024, 11:01pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/14 "2024-02-07T23:01:00Z")
Thank you! We’re very excited for this work and look forward to working with the community in developing Zenith.
We have created [this project board](https://git.vergara.tech/Vergara_Tech/-/projects/3) to track the work and progress can be tracked on [our milestone page](https://git.vergara.tech/Vergara_Tech/zenith/milestones).
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### Author:  [@daira](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/daira)
#### Post date: [February 13, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/15 "2024-02-13T19:39:50Z")
> [@pitmutt](#):
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> We will work on Linux first. From my understanding, [Zebra does not support Windows yet](https://github.com/ZcashFoundation/zebra/issues/3801).
The issue with `zcash_script` is entirely fixable problem, and the rest of Zebra is OS-independent, so this shouldn’t be discouragement to the wallet supporting Windows. Also note that a Windows user could run the Zebra node under [WSL](https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wsl/install).
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### Author:  [@daira](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/daira)
#### Post date: [February 13, 2024, 9:01pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/16 "2024-02-13T21:01:38Z")
(With ZIP Editor hat.)
I notice that [Vergara\_Tech/zcash-haskell: Library with functions to interact with the Zcash blockchain - Vergara Technologies](https://git.vergara.tech/Vergara_Tech/zcash-haskell) is LGPL-licensed.
The LGPL isn’t two-way compatible with MIT: LGPL code can depend on MIT code, and MIT code can depend on LGPL code _only as a library_ (in the sense defined by the LGPL), but LGPL code can’t be relicensed to MIT or freely mixed with code that remains MIT-licensed.
[The grant proposal](https://zcashgrants.org/gallery/25215916-53ea-4041-a3b2-6d00c487917d/45146381/) doesn’t mention licensing, but [ZIP 1014](https://zips.z.cash/zip-1014) says (under section [Transparency and Accountability — Obligations](https://zips.z.cash/zip-1014#obligations):
> BP, ECC, ZF, and Major Grant recipients (during and leading to their award period) SHALL all accept the obligations in this section.
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> …
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> All substantial software whose development was funded by the Dev Fund SHOULD be released under an Open Source license (as defined by the Open Source Initiative [[5]](https://zips.z.cash/zip-1014#osd)), preferably the MIT license.
(Zcash Community Grants is the successor of ZOMG which is the successor of MGRC, so this is a Major Grant for the purpose of ZIP 1014. If it weren’t then the constraint would have been on ZF to ensure that the contract with the grantee specified licensing that meets the requirement; as it is, the constraint is on the grant recipient directly, as are the other constraints in that section.)
LGPL is [accepted as an Open Source license by OSI](https://opensource.org/license/lgpl-license-html/), but the wording does say “preferably the MIT license”. That would help reduce any risk of future license compatibility issues with other Zcash-related code. Was licensing discussed with ZCG during the grant consideration process, and is Zenith willing to relicense this code as MIT?
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### Author:  [@daira](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/daira)
#### Post date: [February 13, 2024, 9:17pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/17 "2024-02-13T21:17:42Z")
With my ECC R&D Engineering manager hat on, I think it’s highly desirable for all accepted ZCG and other Zcash grants to clearly specify what the licensing will be for any deliverables that are copyrightable works.
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### Author:  [@pitmutt](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/pitmutt)
#### Post date: [February 13, 2024, 10:57pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/18 "2024-02-13T22:57:29Z")
TL; DR: The `zcash-haskell` library and `zenith` will be released under the MIT License.
As the BOSL was removed from the Orchard crates, we updated the license to the LGPL-3, since at the time only our own ZGo app depended on the `zcash-haskell` library, before our application for Zenith.
Upon beginning the work for Zenith, we moved to the MIT license for both the library and the app and our upcoming releases will have those license updates.
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### Author:  [@daira](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/daira)
#### Post date: [February 13, 2024, 11:12pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/19 "2024-02-13T23:12:25Z")
Thanks for clarifying! 🙂
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### Author:  [@pitmutt](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/u/pitmutt)
#### Post date: [March 2, 2024, 12:36pm UTC](https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/zenith-full-node-wallet/46523/20 "2024-03-02T12:36:55Z")
# February updates
We have made great progress on the first milestone for Zenith, focusing on the foundational elements of the wallet and text-based user interface.
This month we completed 15 pull requests for our new codebase covering the Zenith wallet and the `zcash-haskell` library. A preview of the new version of the interface connecting to Zebra on testnet can be seen in the video posted below. The layout of the TUI will change as we continue work but this can give you an idea of the kind of functionality we aim to provide.
[https://zeal.center/@vergaratech/112022708153250403](https://zeal.center/@vergaratech/112022708153250403)
All questions and feedback are welcome 😃
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