[quote=“dbfusion, post:1410, topic:27353, full:true”]
So why are you here debating asics to begin with ?
You could buy directly the coin and save your self the agoney . Or mine with gpu .[/quote]
One doesn’t exclude the other. I do all 3. I buy and trade coins, i mine with GPU and i mine with Asics. That’s the project i wanted for me and that’s what i did and i’am happy with that configuration.
One of the main reasons i made it about 1/3 of each is not to put all eggs into one basket. There are others, but that would be take to long to explain and you anyway mostly would not believe nor think about it if it makes any sense at all as a hardcoded gpu miner.
Additionally i should be able to debatte whenever i want even with holding only 0.1 zcash i should have that right and not having to ask for your confirmation to do so, not/
Fascinating? I have no fetish that i think machines are fascinating. However, i’am a believer that a given machine made for a given purpose is the best usage. As we are in mining i believe that the Asics, until other superior machines come out, are the ones that should do the job.
And yes, there ARE other Asics out and for sale right now that are more profitable, at least on paper, and at the time of writing the Z9 is only ranked #9 as profitibility and this with risk and unproofen.
So to answer your question, yes, i’am here without the Z9 being the most profitable miner.
[quote=“dbfusion, post:1410, topic:27353, full:true”]
I can place safe bet if there were other asics more profitable than the promised z9 . We wouldnt even see the vast amount of new subscribers aka gamblers who already paid for it and come now trying to convince us its a good thing .[/quote]
See answer above, you lose that bet. You really think due 1x Miner that costs some funny 2.000 USD something has to convince you? Ok, if i had bought 100 of them and Zcash was the only coin on equihash it would make sense, but none of that is the case. Things are totally different if you have bought some overprized 1080ti rig 2 months ago and invested some 20.000 USD in it, right? And than the price correction with low coin prices, ROI must be 2 years now eventually. So while you try to copy your own fears on me it’s not how it works because just be sure, i have 0 fear if i will make these funny 2.000 USD in return and even in case not, i would write it off simply as risk in a risky business. I’am easy going on this one. Here we say, risk wins, risk loses.
[quote=“dbfusion, post:1410, topic:27353, full:true”]
And the reputation will be worst than anything you can imagine.[/quote]
How can you predict this one? This might be true in the eyes of some hardcore gpu believers like you. But does not necessary apply to investors, the public, traders, globally, whatever. Just because YOU think it will be like that does not mean it will be like that.
[quote=“dbfusion, post:1410, topic:27353, full:true”]
Zoko cant , or to be more clear doesnt want to see it . And only him can come out and say the real reason other than his non logical execuses . [/quote]
Actually he explained the problems with forking. Not sure if you have read them or have been too concentrated anti-asic arguments. But he clearly said that a long time and money has allready been invested into overwinter and sapling. If 500.000 Bucks allready invested in this project seems to be peanuts for you, good, i doubt it is for everybody else.
Now if some other developers come and say that such implentation and developement can be done in 1 week for 10.000 Bucks after the fork it’s a different story. But i doubt neither me nor you can make such statement and until anything other is mentioned by an expert or dev we just have to believe zooko, that’s it.
