I mean you are literally entertaining someone making an argument about the logic of story telling and science. Pro strat, don’t vote in systems designed by protocol engineers (especially when they are heavily “staked”). If there was no issue, no one would vote. The metrics don’t lie but story telling for bougie folks makes great folklore. Regardless, the show must go on and the best story gets told in the stuff you likely can’t decrypt.
I have watched Monero even when it seemed nearly unmentionable in these circles.
Aside from their blunder with their fund getting drained mentioned above, oversight of grant distribution is contentious and everyone from users to whales to fakers to shills to sock puppets to provocateurs makes their process difficult.
Their long-coming upgrade FCMP++ (which uses the tech pioneered in this project, at least indirectly) isn’t ready and has become a joke or meme among many. This for those who think they compare favorably to us in pacing, they face the same issues where critical upgrades have only a very limited number of people qualified (meaning able, not by credential) to review, and also development hinges on a very low number, I think often just one person is working on something.
Recently I observed someone asking monero veterans about what they could have done differently with today’s hindsight. Here are some answers that were provided.
- We should have done the things we did right with more conviction, less bureaucracy, and more resources (both people and moneros)
- we should have ensured we maintained DefCon links
- we should have ensured that the mob didn’t purposely ostracize positive initiatives, creating negative environments along the way, just because they couldn’t see their tangible benefit or purpose.
- we shouldn’t have let outreach die
- we never pointed resources to replace Key people when they left
- lack of Monero integration is because of intentional isolation from the ecosystem and how it developed, both technically and ideologically “It’s not just about us vs bitcoin”
- project adoption was hurt by promoting it as a tool instead of an investment
- should possibly have maintained/urged/sustained greater anonymity for key people (Devs, Researchers, Maintainers) in the community
- we should have cared less about CEX prices or integration
- we should have abandoned toxic social media channels
- we intentionally pissed off key developers “I thought that was dumb af”
A diversity of opinions, and it’s not a formal poll, but I like a lot of these thoughts. also showing it’s probably impossible to get everything right for everyone. Who gets to say what’s positive or where red tape should entangle or be cut? Some of this sounds very familiar.
Beyond possible lessons to be learned here, I’m not saying we should form an alliance but I think we should try to be friendly neighbors. We have more in common than people may think.
The thing that’s troubling me the most recently around here is implied in the last point, the wasting of key dev time and energy. Like them or not, they are the only ones who can help zec get to whatever end you’re looking for.
And if you think they are replaceable, try making a job posting within some price range and then try to screen some applicants. You’ll find the talent search, the price, and the screening difficult I would wager.
So, my message is: help devs and future devs, if you want the Zcash project to maintain capabilities.
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Everyone: join me at MoneroKon this year. I’ll be wearing a Zcash shirt working to build bridges. I use both currencies extensively. Let bygones be bygones, privacy projects must stand together.
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we should have a Zcash 
Monero shirts fr
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Please either provide references for your assertions, or remove them.
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When/Where is MoneroKon?
IMO the community of those seeking private transfers of value and storage of value with Zcash will grow substantially if Zcash depreciates transparent transactions before Monero implements FCMP++ (this means Unified addresses and TEX addresses for Binance, etc)
If that timeline is not met, it will be too late and the network advantage of Monero will be too much to overcome.
Unfortunately Zcash seems to still be moving in the direction of adding barriers to reduce engagement among those that care about privacy the most. For example KYC requirements preventing grants to and the ability to use the Zcash trademark by pseudonymous community members.
Since the last time I checked in I do see one major improvement: The ability for Zcash holders to vote anonymously. Kudos on that.
Date: 20th - 22nd June 2O25
Location: Second Culture / La Fabrika
Venue address: 475/43, Dělnická, 170 00 Praha 7, Czechia
50°06’12.23"N, 14°27’01.8"E
Like politicians know it too well, promises only engage those who believe in them.
Oh! So I happen to dedicate most of my time to a project that Nazi and anti-semites don’t like? I love it!
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FMCP++ progress can be followed here:
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Github looks pretty dead, no?
Maybe Monero is not meant to get true privacy after all and nobody can help out since the “community” are just bots?
That link was for the FMCP++ competition rules. Development is very active
The goal of this contest is to provide optimized implementations ofhelioselene and ec-divisors. While any method of achieving faster performance will be accepted, the following scopes of work are highlighted
As explained here the competition work itself is being done in private forks:
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Remind me again, which cryptos are used on the dark web? Probably just another coincidence, so many of those lately…
Pack it up guys, that’s why Monero is everywhere. It’s just too embarrassing to associate with Zcash at this point.
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I don’t really get why Monero holders are bitter and insecure. They have the unique opportunity to sell their privacy broken coin @ $412 and buy the equivalent of more than 7 ZEC for the same price.
It looks like a buying opportunity of a lifetime. But I also respect those who prefer to go down with their ship, your sacrifice is much appreciated.
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Even our cringe Gen Z marketing strategy is better than Moneros cringe memes.
Their approach is based on hate. Niche humour, easy to expose as lies and mostly unfunny.
Zcash marketing is inclusive, not tribal. No need to hate anyone. Focus on vibe and quality. Self aware cringe. Broader appeal. Doubling down on irony.
Maybe we are trying to hard to be “hip”. But lets see where this is going, I like the change.
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I agree. Those who push lies and hatred have always very dark agenda.
i like the cringe marketing…that fact that monero people are lashing out tells me we do something right here
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