Not necessarily if we can convince at least one exchange to implement viewing keys?
You’re acting like z-only doesn’t have choice. That’s the point of view keys. Private by default, optionally transparent to who YOU choose, not everyone.
This has always been one of the stranger things to double down on from my point of view. Choice. Monero has view keys too. FCMPs will have better view keys. Zcash has view keys. Going z-only robs nobody of choice. It simply forces a default. If you want EVERYONE to see what you have in the wallet, you can simply post your view key online for everyone to see.
Choice is still very much present in z-only.
I have very good hope at Maya Dex with shielded address support. And yes, Zcash supports view key (zip 310).
Only a matter of time, yes.
I know Zcash supports view keys, what I said is that at the moment, none of the exchanges I know are leveraging this feature.
Unfortunately, most of CEXs are not a fan of z2z. Maybe, Kraken would. I don’t know. Zcash has come to the right direction to implement Maya DEX with shield address. This will solve the need of CEXs.
Welcome to 2025, Monero people talk to themselves on the Zcash forum and life has never been better 
I’d rather talk to Monero people trying to advance privacy for all than Zcash people dissing other privacy projects, but that’s just me.
I’m not here to become rich, I’m here so privacy wins. If Monero stays in the lead, congrats to them for playing it right, I have no problem with that.
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I still think Zcash has a good chance of capturing a decent percentage of Monero users IF t-addresses are removed BEFORE Monero implements FCMP++
Time is of the essence.
I agree on your other points. Both communities care about financial privacy and are making advancements both independently and inspired by the other.
Research from both communities will help the world. Will the full potential of that research be realized on the Monero and/or Zcash blockchains? Or will it primarily benefit other blockchains that learn from the mistakes of the Monero and Zcash communities? To be determined
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The list of self-evident mistakes is quite long. But many of your writings and actions tell me you are already aware of the problems ECC/ZF wrought on us. Frankly, I think you are steering the ship better than the previous generation with a focus on usability in the here and now. You are much more of a “populist” leader in the good sense of the term. Although I agree with the points @outgoing.doze made that voting and governance needs to come with formal, predetermined rules (e.g., the interpretation of outcomes). I know he’s been rough on you, but as an independent observer, his points have merit and I think addressing them would be helpful. You deserve credit for the work you have done, but there’s still work to do on governance that puts users and coin holders in charge, not dev fund orgs. Also, I think you may have drank the Kool-Aid a bit much as your writings seem to me to have echos of Zooko’s endless, naive hopium. Zashi’s marketing is also pretty “room temp iq” as someone said on Twitter recently.
I think a lot of Zcash starts to come off the rails post NU5. Halo/Orchard was an amazing upgrade, but every practical aspect of Zcash just friggin broke. It felt like leadership, especially Zooko, were just constantly gaslighting users into thinking Zcash was the best thing ever while many suffered due to the unbelievably long and preventable spam attack (fee market anyone?). We basically had two years of just pure UX pain with @hanh being the main saving grace. First hand experience and many anecdotal accounts of people just turning away from Zcash during this period. UA’s also turned out to executed poorly, even if theory suggests they were supposed to simplify things. We wound up having a comical number of possible addresses. So confusing. Also, how has coin-holder voting been such a talking point for so long and again it takes a third-party individual @hanh to develop it? It feels like so many people in Zcash love to talk vs. build something.
I don’t want to dwell on this too much, but I am very happy Zooko and Jack are no longer in charge. Happy for them to remain contributors, but people much more attuned to how to make a crypto product successful need to be holding the reigns. Focus on the outside world. Focus on going out and seeing what the problems are. Focus on seeing how those problems can be solved in weeks, not years. Also, as brilliant and as needed as they are, there are many Zcash engineers who couldn’t run a hot dog stand and they should not be explaining how Zcash should be used to users. Not everyone is good at everything. There’s a reason less technical people are often CEOs and marketing and sales people are super necessary.
Fortunately, due to stubbornness coming from equal parts idealism and naïveté, Zcash people are still here and perhaps the market is giving us another chance. It seems apparent that getting a single shielded HW wallet for Zcash was enough to do what endless idealistic tweets could not. I think the ECC and ZF should have and could have gotten a shielded HW wallet to work years ago. It kept being pushed off to third-parties or mismanaged one way or another.
Anyway, to close, I think a great comeback is possible if users and practicality are prioritized over ideology and theory. Also, stay humble. For me personally, I get encouraged when problems are addressed and reality is recognized. Zcash is small and niche, and yes it has potential, but focus on actual wins with tangible outcomes.
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Thanks for your thoughts @diegorehrar. You one of many in a long line of people who occasionally has to “come in” from the sidelines to deliver some hard truths. Education has a time and place. I spend lots of time doing tutorials for things I want to learn. But no amount of education can save something when the UX is just too bad or there’s not enough reason to put up with bad UX.
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This is definitely a key problem here. Major major case of epistemic trespassing with many ZF & ECC employees.
Looking forward to stakeholders voicing their opinion of the way forward. And no @joshs, not just about the dev fund.
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Little bit more time…
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Naysayers would say that Monero broken privacy is not a bug but a feature hence it will never be fixed.
Yes we know. Tex addresses were a mistake. That was acknowledged long ago: No Appeasement. ECC Update - #11 by daira
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As a long time critic of ECC I was extremely pleased to read this. Thank you for drawing attention to the No Appeasement post.
Can I ask you about the following two paragraphs so I don’t make any incorrect assumptions?
Firstly I love your first paragraph including the bolding the word shielded.
In the second paragraph id like to clarify what type of DEX support you mean. I would be thrilled if you mean Zcash shielded DEX integrations (which I know are much more complicated to engineer but I believe are essential to grow Zcash shielded adoption).
Im very saddened by the time and money that have been spent on integrating Zcash transparent DEX support (easier and cheaper but also taking time and resources away the shielded engineering work you mention).
Are we on the same page? Thank you very much for sharing your thoughts.
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Yes I mean we should be focusing on shielded DEX integration.
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