ECC team leaves ECC

After reading into it, I think we’ll be fine.

The ECC team still wants to work on Zcash and Zashi. The community can use that wallet, but we have alternatives as well.

For safety we can get NEAR swaps into other wallets.

Private money is still private.

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We are all radbro

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well dats the most uncertainty Zcash has had for a while. but better get stuff figured out now than later.

from the little public info we have seen so far its still hard to understand wat exactly the disagreements were on - but seems its Zashi related mostly :thinking:

edit: i read it again and the post/text at https://weareallzashi.org/ seems different compared to what i previously saw wen i commented

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I have a theory.

But that’s part of the problem - people will have their own theories, while important forces in our open source community are not being communicative or fully forthcoming.

I kind of wish big moves (the ones before the ‘fall’ here) like this might be more public in general.

But this is a pattern with Zcash-wide decisions from important forces dating back to the beginning: what’s visible isn’t the whole story that everyone will be asked to adopt or adapt to. :frowning: I understand the need for discretion but a lot happens behind closed doors. Things like this make people realize how ‘along for the ride’ they are, IMO, and it’s not a great feel - or look when things fall over.

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I guess one more point that comes to mind is that, no matter what the exact nature of the contention (“privatize Zashi”?) and various people’s role in it, the main ECC developers aren’t AT ALL replaceable - so zcash holders had better hope and work to retain all the talent they can, and that that non-fungible talent is directed to making things work as time goes on - there’s still a lot ‘in flight’ IIUC and the systems involved aren’t a snap to pick up, to say the least.

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When network is tied to a single team, their internal conflicts become the network’s external risks. This is a wake-up call: Zcash is currently too fragile to survive its founding team. We must prioritize to diversify the most important part of the network - its node client to ensure that no single team’s resignation or drama can threaten the protocol’s existence. Why ZCash Must Prioritize Node Diversity Now? Single Team, Single Codebase = Single Point of Failure

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I don’t think this is a problem with node diversity. Zcash has always promoted its expertise in ZKP and R&D. Consequently, without the core team, the market worries that the project’s future is compromised. Kinda like Steve Jobs & Apple. Now we need to prove that either they will continue working on zcash or that we can still innovate without them.

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Meant to highlight a larger stated problem - Single point of failure.

Why even let the whole network be depending on a single team? For core components of the network - there needs to be independent teams.

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ECC shouldn’t be funded going forward. And Bootstrap board should transfer Zashi to Josh n team. I believe 100% of Zcash users and ecosystem agrees.

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Tear it all down.

With this recent surge in price and interest in Zcash, this ecosystem should be able to fund itself as a pack of lone wolves.

Lets destroy all of the old Corporations, Boards, and other Bureaucracies Du Jour.

Let community funding live via Coin voting/ LockBox decentralized governance.

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The transaction could be reversed…

Anyone know what transaction they’re talking about? Selling Zashi IP to someone?

A post was split to a new topic: Clarification for users about news of ECC team “leaving”

This is getting way worse than people want to admit. Entire core contributors gone, zero official clarification, and now silence while the market nukes another 20%. This isn’t just “volatility” — this looks like internal collapse.

If the team really walked without a transition plan, that means no roadmap, no accountability, and no one steering the protocol. Liquidity is already thinning and whales are clearly exiting. Retail is last in line as usual.

Anyone saying this is “bullish” is coping hard. Until there’s verifiable leadership, funding transparency, and a clear recovery plan, this feels like a slow-motion rug. I’d be shocked if this doesn’t keep bleeding once broader crypto Twitter catches on.

New wallet fork of Zashi code name cashZ initial launch/rollout in a few weeks from the former ECC team.

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Honestly? I say, Thank GOD.

A few weeks ago, my creative agency was ready to deploy resources into the ZEC ecosystem. We were hyped.

Then I saw the cease-and-desist letters flying around. Well-intentioned artists getting threatened for making cool art? It killed 100% of my motivation. Why help a community that sues its own evangelists?

If this team split means the end of gatekeeping and the return of grassroots creativity, I’m back in.

Let the artists build.

I honestly don’t understand why there could be disagreements within Bootstrap and ECC.

I would just like to leave the chronology of events here:

October 12, 2020

The founders of ECC (Zerocoin Electric Coin Company, LLC) transferred 100% of their shares to the newly created non-profit organization Bootstap.

October 27, 2020

ZCAM:

March 12, 2019

Alan Fairless moved from ECC to the Bootstrap board automatically.

March 18, 2021

June 29, 2022

November 6, 2023

December 18, 2023

July 15, 2024

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(Not speaking on behalf of ZF, as always)

Also relevant context for the whole creation of Bootstrap, from Dodger (miss you!):

It looks like ECC wanted to eat the cake and have it: save on taxes by being under a non-profit, but also do some type of partnership that would increase profit but jeopardize the non-profit status… But now that ECC does not get the dev fund, the reason for being a non-profit was mostly lost.

What I can’t wrap my head around is why they couldn’t sort it out like adults, dissolving Bootstrap/ECC and building the new company without all the drama and without losing the Zashi name.

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You literally voiced what I’ve been thinking about all day.

Also, there is some practical stuff that I feel is very important to have clarity on @joshs

  • Who now owns the ECC domains?
  • Who now runs the ECC infrastructure? i.e. seeders (which seem down at the moment), website
  • Who now manages the zcash GitHub org?
  • Who now holds the credentials to update the Zashi app?
  • Who now holds the credentials to update the zcashd packages?
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+1 to @conradoplg above.

From my point of view, things like how critical software repos are handled, particularly releases, patches, even network upgrades… very important.

What’s the upgrade path, or how would a security patch be added, today?

I’m looking for a metaphor.

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