that’s why i changed the title into “or” …
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Slightly off topic: I’ve kept almost everything. 
Why so bear lately @boxalex? The exchange rate seems to be turning around…
Seriously? What chart are you looking at? Or do you mean the little 2 pumps the last 7 days that have a minimal impact on our trend?
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I personal hope the big rise won’t give a big sell off too. But we will know this week I guess. Maybe a little Fud on some Chinese Social Media will moon us 
Don’t Tell, but I heard Zooko is Satoshi 
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To be honest, I’m more interested in the future usability than the current price. The price going up is just a plus. Crypto goes up, it goes down, people become wealthy and some people take emotional actions that lose them wealth. This will always be the case. If you’re interested in Zcash primarily as an investment vehicle, then you have every right to be upset - but that’s not the fault of anyone here. The bear market was industry-wide.
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Broke- I am Satoshi
Woke-I am provably not Satoshi : )
I bet he never wakes up, Faketoshi that is
Interestingly i absolutly agree with this. But price is how exactly that usability & adoption is reflected.
I’am not upset, no way even. No idea why you think i’am upset. My bearish ZEC view reflects just how i see some wrong designed things turning out now. Neither do i have some major loss nor anything to be upset.
I said it allready several times, NEVER EVER put emotion into financial decisions, even less personal emotions. People that take financial actions based on emotions will fail in most cases, so i absolutly agree with you here, but this doesn’t apply to me. I don’t make financial actions based on emotions, never ever, golden rule!
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beatiful example of a usual asic fellow miner… “i sold all zcash to get more bitcoin and never hold any zcash”
raw truth, as it really is.
It’s very easy to criticize a project in crypto since almost nobody is using any coin. Which coin would you like to see ZEC resemble more in community and dev activity?
I disagree. It’s way more easy to say to everything just “Moon”, “superb” and “perfect” without giving it any critical thoughts. Critic is based on a lot of thoughts.
There are 2000 coins. Instead of listing reasons why a coin is bad, how about listing which coins have potential? Not that it would mean it’s “going to da moon” - there’s often very little connection between how good a coin is technologically and how it’s priced by the market.
I don’t feel comfortable to mention other projects on the Zcash forum. I do this only at very few cases for very special reasons. This topic is for sure not one of them where i will compare it to other projects.
This is the Zcash forum and Zcash should be discussed, not the other 5000+ other coins …
Of course just my opinon about forum ethics.
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I’d actually be very interested to know what other cryptocurrency projects you pay attention to! Personally, I don’t think it’d be inappropriate to talk about that, although I would yield to the rest of the moderators if they all disagreed with me.
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z2z feels almost magical to me. I know it’s all math and engineering and a decentralized network, but damn if it isn’t amazing that I can slip into the shielded pool and disappear.
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I love ZEC really believe in the coin, has amazing tech built into it but I recently got out of mining entirely sadly just isn’t enough there at the current time to keep my machines running 
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What was your mining setup, out of curiosity?
Originally when I started when Zcash first launched I had a total of six 8 card 1080 Ti rigs. Then when Zcash went asic I switched over to the full sized Z9s 9 of them to be exact!
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Wow! It’s sad to see that the full Z9’s are no longer profitable, they didn’t even last one year. In my opinion, Bitmain and Innosilicon have destroyed ZEC’s value entirely.
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They are still profitable, enough you are in a low electrictity cost region, preferable china with ~5cents per kw/h.
For the rest, just as predicted around 8 months ago, with increasing difficulty miners within higher electricity cost regions are forced out first of mining business making place for more chinese miners and of course as a nice side effect, leading to more minign centralization. Simple mathematics.
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