i want CUDA nvidia support.and Linux support. also how soon do we get the miner prior coin launch 1 week would be good. atleast.
It’s already up to $12k if you only count the multi-coin offers of 2 and 10 as “one” in order to be fair to them.
Wolf0 and ampy could create a web page for selling the executables with specific GPU recommendations. They would just copy and paste some coinbase code for checkout via HTML and BTC. That will be easiest and fairest to everyone. I do not see any reason it should be “crowd-funded” or open source and I’m the biggest liberal socialist here. If they keep working on it to make it better, it looks like they could get anywhere from $50k to $250k in the next 3 months before making it open source at their leisure, or accept $20k now to make it open source. Selling it 1 at a time over time encourages development and competition.
Is this project only for solo mining?
Currently, yes, solo mining. I think the only current pool efforts are focused on CPU.
You are making some great suggestions. Do you want to try and draft a formal proposal with project goals and expectations including some of your ideas? Then we can try to flush it out. I think we should draft two scenarios 1) open source with upfront payment 2) closed source with built in fee. Also, it appears we should pitch the proposal to only one developer, being as it is unclear if they will work together.
Ideally, I would like to pay Ampy for the client and pay Wolf0 to make improvements. Maybe we can include this scenario as an option or a clause, and provide further incentive for this outcome.
Please feel free to suggest price points for the scenarios and options. This would be incredibly helpful to me and the community.
Lastly, Ampy wrote this to me, today:
“An open source variant is still among the options, however that would mean a figure high in the 5 digit range if it was up to me.”
The final product should be a Windows/Linux cross platform implementation with support for NVIDIA and AMD GPUs. I expect their best work, and not a second rate version.
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Selling it 1 at a time over time would encourage continued development. – zawy
You may be correct, but you know that this whole blockchain movement is really about open sourced software and free exchange.
- Software can be stolen and resold
- Wont the blockchain be more secure if there are more people mining? - Why limit that at the inception of such a promising project?
If you sell the software to a single individual whats going to stop them from selling it to someone else?
Bigger issue now. Trying to make this pay to play and limit community involvement WILL most definitely come back to bite u in the ass with people selling software cheaper than what this group will be trying to sell at to compensate developers… if no one buys to pay for continued development because of other places to get it cheaper…good bye funding all together.
Keep it open source and free. BUT allow the developers to accept donations. Publish the locations for donations to be accepted to a blockchain with integrity checks so people know exactly who to pay for their work. Do this and guarantee the people pledging btc here will donate a lot more than what was promised, and they will know how to donate more if they see the developers maintaining the software.
TLDR: Leverage blockchain technology to ensure the developers contributing to the software are being compensated and the public can donate anonymously… isnt that why zcash is so important in the first place?
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I offer the suggestion as an alternative to selling it for $40k now to an individual and possibly being forced to sign an NDA plus non-compete and maintenance agreement, assuming our paltry $12k is not good enough. If it’s good enough, then great, let him make it open source, assuming everyone committed will remain committed even if it is free. My concern is that what we’ve presented here is too complicated, having to deal with the desires of 20 people, instead of 1 professional. Just putting up a web page with “Here it is. Pay if you want it. BTW, in 4 months I plan to make it open source.” should not take long and bring in more than a single offer. We get it the fastest and simplest way, he makes the most money, and it turns into open source when he wants it to.
Open source has similar goals such as freedom from governing controls and empowering individuals, but it is only a tool compared to the very distinct goal of cryptocurrencies trying to bypass defunct government money printing and banking.
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After seeing Ampy’s comment, I think it’s like I thought it should be. We should commit to buying executables from him so that he has enough motivation to put up a “Software for sale” page and accept paypal and bitcoin. If GPUs are going to be more than 6x better, Zcash needs to do one or buy his. If he’s already got an offer in the high 5 digits, then he should take it. But I’m guessing the offer is a partnership, in which case he should definitely stop wasting time with us. lol or partner with me for 100 GPUs and forget you guys.
How many Raspberry Pi 3 boards could be bought for the cost of a GPU mining rig? How much memory bandwidth would they have compared to the GPU rig?
It looks like it can only hold 1 GB. At that slow clock speed, it might be able to do only 1/8 of a PC.
I commit 1 bitcoin 
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Good idea - I’m in for 2 BTC.
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I’m in for 1 bitcoin.
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I’m in for 1 bitcoin.
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It’s important they detail how they are confirming any multiple of CPU capability because the cores on GPUs are running a lot slower than the cores on CPUs, about the same speed as a Fitlet, which was taking 160 seconds to solve instead of 50 seconds on z8. This is worse than 4x fewer blocks per core. Just going from 70 seconds on the benchmark to 50 seconds results in getting half as many blocks on the testnet. Again, the best way to measure CPU multiplier is:
CPU multipier = N x D / 100
where N =number of blocks per hour
D = average of the difficluty’s peaks and valleys during the test, as long as the peaks are approximately 4x the valleys about every 1.5 hours. This type of variation indicates the network has a fairly stable hash rate because the difficulty algorithm swings up and down 400% like this by itself when the hash rate is varying only 15%.
They need to collect at least 50 blocks and let us know the time period they were running so that I can compare it with the difficulty. This means letting it run for 2 days if it is only 3x. And letting us know something about the type of GPU being used.
If they are making a 3x claim based on a laptop’s testnet results their 3x claim is wrong as far as desktop person is concerned.
Not disclosing after you ask, or even delaying disclosing is not a good sign. Arguing against the above test as “not accurate” would be an even worse sign.
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I am also in with 1 BTC! Just contact me.
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I thought Zooko wanted to make it fair for everybody to mine, so when all these GPU farms with thousands of GPU mining this, you will not be able to mine one coin a week with a cpu. So back to the same situation as bitcoin farms.
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Not necessarily, nobody has yet proven the GPU to CPU advantage. Could only be 4x, which won’t make CPU obsolete.
I’m also in with 1 BTC!
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Hey! No need, but slack is a good place for current happenings. Thank you for the pledge. We are currently working to close a deal between zooko and ampy. However, ampy is considering other options as well. I will update everyone when I have something substantial to share. Hopefully sometime today or tomorrow. Fingers crossed!