It is miners’ prerogative to ignore the community and project behind the asset they’re mining, if that’s what they want to do. We cannot make them pay attention.
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Hmm. I’m not inclined to go that route, both because ZF intentionally limits contact with ASIC manufacturers to avoid conflicts of interest, and because I don’t think Bitmain et al would say yes anyway. What’s in it for them?
If they put the time in the research and development of their machines it is in their interest for ZEC to survive. Also the Halo upgrade would make ZEC a layer one scalable POW chain and this would be a huge priority when ETH is going proof of stake.
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- Pay for announcements on chinese mining pools?
- Pay for some announcements on chinese, russian, western mining communities?
- Stimulate/Motive maybe mining pools to participate and spread the word?
- Contact Bitmain as mostly the biggest mining facility? Zooko could do some smalltalk again with Bitmains CEO.
- Contact Innosilicon, if i remember right Zookos connections are as well good there.
- Spread the word in our different language sub forums as i have my doubts that anybody did even this.
- Contact chinese, russian, other ZEC communities…
Someone could ask the same question reverse as well. Who profits if miners, especially Bitmain, are not going or are not able to vote?
But to answer your question. As a huge asic hardware producer (i guess the biggest), maybe even the biggest ZEC mining facility they should have interest to participate. I don’t think it’s right to make a conclusion without them even asking.
Bitmain and Innosilicon would be even perfect platforms to spread the word to the miners by the way, enough someone really wants that miners actually participate in the voting, which with the current afford done doesn’t really look like that.
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Yes a 1000 times this. I think the miners understand that even if ECC pivoted away from the project ZECs market cap would be decimated. It is in their interest to participate and to vote yes. Both them and the manufacturers stand to benefit by doing so.
Also Bitmain mines with their machines to “test” them ahem. They have massive hashpower at their disposal.
Did they ever sack this lovable character yet?
We won’t know without having them be able to submit a vote … Simply and easy as that.
Look man, ZF isn’t made out of money, and my time is likewise finite. My capacity for governance handholding is largely allocated to working with active members of the community. We simply do not have the resources to do every possible form of outreach.
I repeat:
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Than just cancel the miner signalling best bevor you “waste” anymore resources on this after the current state of miner signalling is:
- miners are not aware or don’t speak English and can not made aware.
- no mining pool is participating and miners have no platform where to signal.
- miners can not be reached anyway.
- No human/financial resources for all of the above.
That’s a serious advice by the way. Never waste resources (or more resources) after it’s clear it can not be handled anyway.
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@sonya I’d like to withdraw my proposal, please. I believe it has serviced the conversation well, thus far.
I’ve been responding and commenting on @mhluongo and @tromer proposals in hopes of having some sentiments raised by my proposal incorporated into theirs - (and in some cases already have been).
Comparative to mine, they are more realistically actionable, concise, and feasible in the short-term. Also, and most importantly, I rather there be less dilution on voting so that we’re not facing a status-quo kind of decision.
Thanks 
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That sounds great, Antoinette! I’m glad that you’re going to continue to participate / help 
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So far 1 mining pool has reached out. we don’t know which, but whichever it is, if that is the only one to implement voting, and all miners want to vote, doesn’t that give the pool total power over the network for that time period?
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ack, I had two draft zips so just to state here:
- I think carbon offsetting is unnecessary with the current hashrate so that one I withdraw. but PLEASE ZF and ECC consider offsetting your employees’ carbon footprints from e.g. work related travel, i’m sure it’s larger than the CO2 production of zcash mining and whenever I bring it up zcash people are like ‘I work on a PoW cryptocurrency, i’m setting the world on fire regardless’ but now we know there’s no reason for nihilism and all the reasons for offsetting/preventing all your endless air travel :)))))))))))
- Private PoS will be awesome.
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Wait, I wasn’t talking about a pool. An individual miner reached out to us.
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The Zfnd has posted the names of the Community Governance Panel:
What a fantastic set of people! Zcash is lucky to have you. Thank you for your contribution.
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Calling out that I’m running up against the deadline – should have burning removed, an allocation tweak to better fund a principal developer, and a few small governance nits, hopefully on GitHub by midnight!
EDIT: Got it out by midnight… Pacific Time 
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The list was last updated in Q4 of 2019.
Still not current
Edit: Incorrect, see my following comment. Sorry about that!
I am an idiot and didn’t notice that the timestamp had been changed, even after quoting from your post 
I was wrong, @acityinohio actually updated the Community Governance Panel page earlier this week.
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Still miffed I didn’t get an invite. This community doesn’t seem to care whatsoever about miners.
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Don’t worry, you are entitled to a consolation prize and can vote on the forum.
The point is that Zcash has nothing but contempt for miners, even those that are original community members and have attended both Zcon’s.
Miners are the heart of the network, and Zcash is ignoring them at it’s peril.
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