Moderation feedback

Thanks for clarifying, I had not read your DM when I posted that.

To be clear, and if anything, I made sure I said there was no way Jason was doing anything wrong.

So it is literally you who’s “ascribing malintent to my actions without evidence”

“Rules for thee but nor for me”, amirite?

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So flag that one post, why would you flag all the others?

Could you point out where exactly is it that I “ascribed malintent to others’ actions without evidence” in the other posts tat you flagged and hid?

Because if you can’t, then it is you who is ascribing malintent to my actions without evidence, which as you implied, should not be tolerated in this forum.

It’s clear to anyone reading these posts who you’re talking about. Barely-veiled accusations of malintent are still accusations of malintent. Without evidence, they constitute a personal attack, which is clearly prohibited by the Code of Conduct.

The CoC also prohibits derailing topics. You were warned to stop arguing about moderation in the “Expanding ZCAP” topic. You chose to continue to do so. Therefore, you have been suspended.

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As for this matter, I would say that it is very important we all understand that moderation is both necessary and difficult. Therefore if something is indeed against the Community Code of Conduct, then it should be removed.

Now, as part of the things we could/should decentralize [0], we could also look into doing that with the moderation. Whether or not there is bias in the moderation decisions, if the moderators are from the Zcash Foundation, there will always be a suspicion of it, which isn’t optimal. Projects such as Kleros Moderate [1] could be helpful here.

If it is not clear yet, I truly believe that we need to leverage existing projects that are pushing society in a direction compatible with our values, which is why I have also pushed for Matrix, Mastodon, etc.

[0] https://forum.zcashcommunity.com/t/decentralizing-zcash-digital
[1] Kleros Moderate: Decentralized Content Moderation for Web3 Communities

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Woah… the Zcash Foundation’s Executive Director is coming down hard on posts…

I’m new here but I am happy about the moderation so far. If anything I would possibly make it more strict about the financial value aspect. Actually I’ll suggest this: locking financial talks to a specific category of the forum, so every other thread can be enjoyable to read again.

Which one of you nerds flagged me?

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When this happens, is it flagged by users or by the moderator?

Edit: The first post doesn’t violate any rule IMO.

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It’s surprising (but nowadays less so) to see posts hidden on this forum, given that it serves as a space for the Zcash community to interact. The very essence of Zcash emphasizes on decentralization and censorship resistance, making this situation a tad ironic.

To quote @zooko:

You can’t have decentralization, censorship resistance, self sovereignty, ownership of your own stuff without privacy.

Ah, open dialogue! Remember when that was a thing? Whether or not it tickled your sensibilities or made you clutch your pearls. In any case, seems like Zcash decided to take a scenic route away from the straight path it once flaunted to its ever-faithful bagholders.

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Out of topic, but IMO, when flagging a post hides it from everyone, anonymously, this creates too much censorship. There should be a way to upvote and downvote. Posts should not be deleted just because someone disagrees with it.

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Auto-flagging is a feature of the Discourse software, and a very useful one, in my opinion: What happens when you flag a post - users - Discourse Meta

Posts that are flagged (including those that are automatically hidden) are added to the moderation review queue, and the moderators then have various options, including rejecting the flag (and un-hiding the post), keeping the post hidden, deleting it, etc.

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Is it just me or posts are being deleted?

Posts that violate the Code of Conduct may be deleted (or hidden until the poster edits the post).

Hive solves this

@Shawn @Dodger is there a way to add some forum widgets that would allow users to tag their comments with keywords?

It would be helpful to keyword search into an aggregated page by topic… “Fees” for example

Simply use the search function at the top of the forum.

Also, off-topic.

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Off-topic. People (not me!) complain this forum is a mess, keeping threads on-topic would certainly help improve this situation.

Anyone can flag a post that they believe is off-topic (or otherwise in breach of the forum’s Code of Conduct by clicking on the three dots under the post…
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…then clicking on the flag…


…and specifying why you’re flagging the post:

Flagged posts are added to a moderation queue for @decentralistdan and I to review.

Depending on the Trust Level of the user flagging the post, it may be immediately/automatically hidden, pending review by the moderators.

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It’s good but it’s important to do more, when possible.

In many cases, it’s just not black or white. I’ve had a message recently reported as off-topic. I put it back without changing anything because I strongly believed it had its place. Result is that a good, positive, you might say useful, conversation ensued.

Second, you need to place yourself in the shoes of people who see their messages hidden when they actually intend to be respectful: it’s frustrating and affects the motivation to participate. I’m sure you understand this and I know it is not easy to be a moderator.

For those reasons, it is also important to, somehow, explain to the potentially offending user why there may be an issue with their message. It may take more time but that’s how we grow a respectful and harmonious community. Obviously, straight abusive behavior is different.

@joshs I’ve expressed this in the past and I’m sure we’re on the same page: one absolutely critical aspect of a successful crypto ecosystem is its community. We’re way smaller than we should be. My reference points for healthy, constructive, smart debate:

We’re far, far, from this at the moment. Yet, we definitely need to get there to get to our goals.

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I see what you are saying, but it’s a tricky balance, because if you don’t flag it, a Mod has to manually read through every thread and find where people are driving off topic and may miss things, so flagged helps save time.

If it gets flagged as off topic it hides it (if only temporarily) until a Mod can move it to the appropriate thread. The software does inform them that it’s an off topic flag in an attempt let the user move it themselves.

Either way if it’s something else against the CoC Mods usually let the user know via DM what the issue is if it’s not clear.

When I was moderating there was more than a few times a DM and asking them to kindly change or move their post was met with indignant refusal, they knew the forums CoC and simply didn’t care. Most of the time though people are reasonable and adjust a few things and carry on. The key is to keep respectful discourse even when correcting someone.

Also, it looks like Polkadot uses the exact same software we do, just with a different skin.

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