If the fee wasn’t so outrageous, people would have less incentive to sidestep it. Not saying people should post how to do it, just that he was kind of asking for it.
In order for that to work, all the miner developers and pool/stratum developers and pool operators would have to agree to work together, and that’s highly unlikely to happen. Developers and operators, of all stripes, tend to be a pretty independent lot, and getting buy-in from enough folks on all sides to “force” a change would be difficult. There would have to be a clear benefit for all parties for the changes to be propagated. Where is the benefit to the pool/stratum developers? How about the pool operators?
To be honest, I think that the players with the largest amount of influence would be the commercial mining farm operators. If the commercial mining farm operators saw a benefit to using secure/encrypted stratum protocol, you can be sure that they’d be talking to both sets of developers and the pool operators to set up private pools that used the new miners. And you can be sure that the commercial mining farm operators would be willing to pay for that privilege to protect their interests. Us (relatively) small time miners probably would not even have access to either, but eventually it may trickle down or leak out.
At the end of the day there are still going to be people whining about how “expensive” it is because it isn’t “free.” Well, if crypto mining is too expensive, perhaps it’s time to move on to a cheaper endeavor.
what do you mean claymore stopped?
he upgrade his software as usual, and 3% percent is toally ok with me.
if optiminer drop his rate to 3-5%, I would support him!
Perhaps the fee is only outrageous when you can develop your own miner software that is as good or better than everything else that is on offer. If you can’t develop your own miner maybe it’s only outrageous when you can “see” how much the developer has earned. What’s the threshold for crossing from “that’s fair” to “that’s too much?” Well, perhaps it’s the difference between socialism and capitalism.
If you want to run Windows on your mining rig(s) the current consensus is Claymore v8. If you want to run a Linux variant (Ubuntu/Debian based seems the current distro of choice) then it was Optiminer with a dev fee and a significantly higher sol/s rate, or SilentArmy without the dev fee, but a much lower sol/s rate. There may be other miners available for the two OSes, but those seem to have the mindshare at this point.
So… a miner that is slower than a much higher quality, and feature rich miner should charge 4-6x as much? That makes sense. You don’t see people buying a Hyundai at the price of a Ferrari.Yes one is Windows (due to haters/whiners), and one is Linux (due to a quick and dirty cash grab), but it takes 10 minutes to install, configure, and run a miner from scratch on Windows, so why settle for a second rate miner with outrageous fees? With Windows, you get better GPU control, and you can mod bios if you want. Even Silent Army miner should be comparable speed before too long, and It isn’t really more profitable mining Zec vs Ethereum right now anyways, so using Optiminer isn’t even the most profitable thing to do on Linux right now anyway.
I don’t mind supporting devs, but I would never think of running this miner, it’s only second fastest, highest fees, is unstable, and has minimal options. I can see why people would remove fee from this miner. Any sane person could not hope to charge 15%, and expect no one to circumvent it. Judging by fee, and inevitability of circumvention, it is obvious this dev was only going for a quick buck anyway. It’s funny to see them act all surprised and upset, when it was pretty much guaranteed people would bypass fee.
compiling this
is just “make”?
Even without dev fee still a bit behind claymore’s sol rate.
For once, CM “people” always post their console screen shots, but what about at the pool?
This is what matters, and according to quite a few people, CM loses at least 4-5% between screen numbers and pool.
Optiminer is solid-I got EXACTLY the same numbers at the pool that i see on the terminal screen.
At least for RX 470 0.6.0 is great, solid hash for 24 hr and 169 S/s at the pool with everything at default (no warranty cancelling strap mods, no overclocking or undervolting).
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My pool rate is normally higher on suprnova than cm reports so looks like different pools can vary
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personally it either having dev fee or retiring from miner contest
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So… a miner that is slower than a much higher quality, and feature rich miner should charge 4-6x as much?[/quote]
If one doesn’t like what’s on offer, don’t buy it. There are choices.
I understand that you are being sarcastic here, but it made sense to optiminer when deciding set the dev fee. Mining rig ops were always free to choose.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions and preferences. My preference runs to Linux and to pay developers for their work. If I was running a large commercial mining operation, which I am not, I’d talk to the developer to see about negotiating a better rate.
There are options to do that on linux, perhaps not as easy on the eyes as on Windows, and perhaps not as many options as on Windows, but for many the options are sufficient.
First movers that provide valuable goods can command premiums, which in this case translates to developer fees. Optiminer is ahead of the sol/s race on linux because the developer has put in the time to work out the optimizations to make it faster.
All things (aka “the market”) being equal, if/when SilentArmy’s (or any other FOSS miner for that matter) sol/s rate catches up to Optiminer’s sol/s rate after fees, then it’s a wash regarding which one you choose. If SilentArmy’s sol/s rate exceeds Optiminer’s sol/s rate after fees, one would expect the developers fee built into Optiminer to either be reduced, or new features/efficiencies added to justify the premium charged.
Are you saying that you condone theft? Remember that these are the same people who have chosen to run this miner knowing full well that there was a developer fee embedded within the code. Using your logic from above they could have installed a superior miner on Windows and run with that setup. But they didn’t do that. And even if they did, they’d circumvent the developer’s fee on that miner, too, because they can. Greed, plain and simple, and because of the distributed/anonymous nature of crypto coins, essentially unstoppable.
I suspect that the developer of optiminer is fairly sane. A decision was made on the fee to charge, and it was implemented. For a while the dev fee was worth it, but perhaps now not so much. Mining rig operators are free to change what mining software they use, so let them. Fast/first moving entrepreneurs that catch the trend can take advantage of it. That’s what has happened here. The “resentment” of the masses is that they did not have the means to capture the same outsized returns. This led the the circumvention of the developer fee, and ultimately the withdrawal of the “legitimate” source of the miner.
Lol, no. I 100% sure that big chineese/russina farms uses solutions like this, but if 1-10% of users will hack dev fee nothing will changes for developer.
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chinese miners even hacked claymores LOL 
im gonna get hammered 
The same approach is usable for Claymore’s miner too. Just needed some more research about pool addresses and accounts, etc.
so you want to kill claymore now as well?
So he earns $3500 daily on Flypool alone with his fees?
So he probably nets $5000-6000 day in total. Claymore is a millionaire.
Nahhh, nothing will be “killed” and development process will continue, it’s like the situation with old MIFARE Classic Oyster Underground hacking or Russian Troyka card hacking, 1-2% will use, 98-99% will be too lazy to even read this thread from the beginning.
Say that no one of you use KMS-emulators, always buy Adobe products for 2500$+ and so on? Won’t believe. It’s digital business, it’ll always be people who want to use your product for free, maybe Optiminer should have spent more time protecting his intellectual property?
Simple solution - use end-to-end encryption for his devfee traffic with his private server (looking at Optiminers daily income, servicing such server will be a tear in the ocean for him) and then send it unencrypted to pool stratum. Like this: devfee(encrypted)->Optiminers’ serv(decryption)->pool stratum(unencrypted)
Man, you’ve been slightly hacked and look, you’ve begun hysteria like 14yo girl, removed everything and so on.
If you miss Optiminer so, here is alternative:
Think it’s clear that optiminer uses optimised Silentarmy kernel, those of you who miss him, cooperate, make a developement fund and hire skilled OpenCL-freelancer to optimise existing opensource Silentarmy code for you, and bam!, get your private miner with even higher speed without any devfees. Everybody’s happy and no one feeds greedy dev.
Seriously, Claymore has 2.5% fee and higher or equal speeds, and he’s not moaning around about his heavy duty (actually, he’s monaning, of course, but he’s wise guy and probably won’t do hysterical steps like Optiminer does), in this situation Optiminer looks like a resentful schoolboy.
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yeah im not sure what they did but there was a hacked claymore exe circulating around china pool groups
yes he probably earns a new car each day
considering he is still using some of marcs code too… hopefully he buys marc a new car
yeah its expected nothing to get panties in a bundle over
lots of people get around his fee, personally i pay it even with the option to no-fee or get around it otherwise
Absolutely agree, personally used Claymore for a long time without even an idea to remove fee.
And if future miner developer knows for sure that method to remove his profits is posted on public forum already he will very unlikely to release public miner.
Probably most of miners pay devfee without question asked (pareto’s law would says 80%), and Optiminer would continue making a lot of money if he’d keep his miner public and correct the bugs.
Because there’s no Linux alternative yet.
Frankly I don’t understand his move. Even by selling to big wales I don’t think he will make more.