Miner- Optiminer/Zcash GPU miner v1.7!

maybe check your rig if there is some power leak to his address :stuck_out_tongue:

maybe he sold it to toomin bros
its ok, if he can get the speeds so can silentarmy eventually im sure

I bet this has nothing to do with dev fee crack and more to do with him seen more money available selling to private pools,there is no doubt he’s a greedy f*cker lol

lets hope for you guys that use it that there is no backdoor in it that allows him to adjust hash power to his address as he sees fit

I am glad he’s gone charging that 20% fee to start with then 20% for zcash founders 1% for pool then exchange fees does not leave much for us miners

you are OK to pay 20% to mysterious developers that have done nothing so far to make z-addr work (basically, the only reason for z-cash existence), but you begrudge someone’s miner that actually make you money? Oh, well.

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they say z-addr works now, and without the founders we would have nothing

kind of makes claymores 2.5% look like a blessing

thats the problem with closed source, never know what tricks are in there
wonder if it could be submitted to kaspersky for analysis

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why OK re 20% four year tribute, but not OK with a mining fee.
I have no idea if dev work will be worth 20% year in and year out. Do you?
talking about greedy.

The Zcash developers are anything but mysterious: https://z.cash/team.html

They’re well known in crypto which is why ZCash has the value it has.

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I didn’t begrudge paying for software in fact I have been paying Claymore from beginning what I grudge is paying nearly 10 x more than other developers charge for a product that is slower and buggy,you can see that there is plenty profit for mining developers when charging smaller fee just look at there zcash addresses and know there is no need to be greedy,if you are going to reply please know what you are talking about as u end up looking foolish, as cryptomined said there is no problems with z addresses now everything is working fine.

Why harbor the grudge? Use that other miner with a developer fee if you want. You have a choice. There are even FOSS miners available.

Simple economics: I can get this thing that costs me X or I can get this thing that does substantially the same thing for 10 time more. Which one should I choose? Let me ask it another way, ā€œDo you buy your name brand name blue jeans at the full price store or at the discount store?ā€

i didnt say i was not OK with it
dont put words in my mouth
i said its greedy
i can have an opinion can’t I???
im not the only one with that opinion too … so…
I can have an opinion thats its greedy AND i can use it… and be ok with the greed… does that blow your mind!!!

if you had read my other posts I stated people would be happy to use it and pay the 10% fee even if there was a dev fee hack… you missed that?

I said I hope he comes back and lets people use his miner again… don’t know why he has to be so hard to the rest of us

we spent time testing it, telling people about it and we got the shaft… thrown under a bus… left in a ditch to rot…

at least the devs continue with thier work… even if people fork and take the work for their own for free - they dont ditch the rest of us and say they are just going to let private businesses mine it - ZCash is here for us all to mine! :zcash:

I only suggested to him to lower the fee so more people adopt it… but he doesn’t care if he has 10,000 people using it with a 2.5% fee, or 1000 people using it at a 10% fee (just example numbers)… not my problem and he doesn’t have to take my suggestion

but I’ll be damned if I cant even make the suggestion
we dont live in nazi germany or … (or today since they have no freedom of speech today) LOL this is a free world and we are able to have our own opinions

if you dont like it go mine ZClassic :smiling_imp:

but dont tell me Im not OK with something when I did not say its ā€œNOT OKā€
speak for yourself buddy, and again, do not put words in others mouths… i will spit thoise words right back out … i have no idea why you are even here… never mind what the dev’s will be doing in 1 year

I buy the ones that ā€œfall off a truckā€ lol

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No grudge harboured her but 20% sets a bad president when others have been charging much less,what would happen if other Devs decided if he can do it so can I,us miners get screwed and 20% becomes the normal,what I don’t understand is why so many think it’s acceptable,maybe you only use 1 card or don’t mine yourself but for those of us with many rigs 20% on each card amounts to robbery,
Ps
I buy my designer jeans from the back of a lorry toošŸ˜‚

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would be even worse if they just ditched the rest of us and only let other ā€œprivateā€ business do the mining wouldn’t it? they gave us the choice to mine ZCash or not…

at least if you dont want to mine ZCash, Ethereum difficulty is wayyy down and you can make much more ETH with the same equipment today compared to 1 month ago

also Monero hopefully picks up and becomes as profitable to mine as ZCash or ETH…

ZCash came at the exact right time for mining, controversy or not

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All I can say about opti, at this point, is that the dev fee is justified not only by developing it to begin with, but also improving it, supporting it, keeping it up to date with any pertinent network changes, etc. If the dev is just going to slam the door and lock it away, then obviously there will be no support, no bug fixes, and it may come to a point where it just doesn’t work properly with the future zcash network. So, regardless of whether is was worth 10% fee before, when presumably it would continue to be developed and supported, I certainly can’t see it now … And I buy my no-name jeans off Amazon; there aren’t any ā€œtrucksā€ like that where I live - lots of cows and such, though :slight_smile:

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Actually, no new precedent was set, just trying to see what the market would bear. The precedent was set when Claymore, et al, started charging fees, although charging fees may have pre-dated Claymore’s miner.

The market will pay a fair rate for a fair product and punish any who deliver less than equivalent option to that ā€œfairā€ product. I think that the backlash we are seeing supports that theory, but what we are seeing is the ā€œfsck youā€ mentality in the use of the miner and bypassing the developer fee.

Don’t know how much longer it will be until the optimization stops and the FOSS miners catch up to the ā€œfor a feeā€ miners. At that point one will have to determine if the added features are worth the fee is worth it.

Jesus, miners lately seem to be the cheapest and sleaziness people out there.

Who cares about the 20% founder’s fee. Without ZCASH you would be mining ETH making $0.50/day.

Who cares about the miner developer’s fee. Without the software we wouldn’t be able to mine at all except cloud miners or we would mine at 20% the speed using the crappy Genoil miner.

Mining is basically FREE MONEY. Quit bitching.

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so send a pm asking for one that still charges a fee to support the ongoing development.

I did that, but no response yet, and for the what I have to offer on my one GPU rig, probably not worth the developer’s time to answer my email.

If that happened it would be called bitcoin…

Exactly right. Hopefully there is a work-around so that support comes back, but not holding my breath.